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re: And here's Scarbo's take on Philon
Posted on 2/3/12 at 11:47 am to RedMustang
Posted on 2/3/12 at 11:47 am to RedMustang
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It sounds to me like Philin's coach developed a sudden phobia of falling up a flight of stairs.
Stevenson is a Bama fan. You think he was gonna speak out against Saban?
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 11:52 am to alu
It goes both ways.
An early signing date would eliminate some of it.
If you really want a player you will offer him early.
LSU got burned this year with Kiel losing an early enrollee in Patrick Miller who went to Auburn
LSU got burned with Toshiro Davis and it was too late to replace him
LSU coaches did it to Elliot Porter who went to UK but is now back at LSU
LSU got Corey Thompson from A&M at last minute primarily due to losing Collins
An early signing date would eliminate some of it.
If you really want a player you will offer him early.
LSU got burned this year with Kiel losing an early enrollee in Patrick Miller who went to Auburn
LSU got burned with Toshiro Davis and it was too late to replace him
LSU coaches did it to Elliot Porter who went to UK but is now back at LSU
LSU got Corey Thompson from A&M at last minute primarily due to losing Collins
Posted on 2/3/12 at 11:59 am to AA7
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But they are 17 year old kids. You can't hold them to the same standards as you would a HC of a major university. Plus it's not like the kids are going around to schools begging to get an offer. A kid changing his mind about a school that asked him to go there is different than a grown man changing his mind about a kid he asked to play for him. Like many said, it's not as big of a deal if they are told well before. It still sucks but it's not as bad as telling them shortly before NSD.
Why not? There may be grown men leading these football programs that make millions of dollars, but all of that is based on getting the best kids they can to said program. Coach Saban did what was best for the long term benefit of his program. It may not be the popular thing, or even the ethical thing in some eyes, but it was what was good for "business". That being said, I really do hate it for Darius Philon. He seems like a great kid.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:08 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Coach Saban did what was best for the long term benefit of his program. It may not be the popular thing, or even the ethical thing in some eyes, but it was what was good for "business".
What is your opinion on how that goes directly against what he stood for just one year ago?
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:10 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Stevenson is a Bama fan. You think he was gonna speak out against Saban?
He actually did the day it happened. His quote was something along the lines of, "Philon feels like his world has been pulled out from underneath him."
Two days later and he developed a sudden case of "Cat Got His Tongue."
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:12 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Things changed with the 25 rule. If this was a year ago, Alabama would have signed Philon. Alabama will likely have 1-2 non-qualifiers in this bunch, but won't have anyone to take those spots this time around. That's the crux of the situation. I doubt we're at the 85 limit come August. More like 83 or 84.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:12 pm to RedMustang
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He actually did the day it happened. His quote was something along the lines of, "Philon feels like his world has been pulled out from underneath him."
That's before his cell phone rang with an 205 area code on it.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:12 pm to RedMustang
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He actually did the day it happened. His quote was something along the lines of, "Philon feels like his world has been pulled out from underneath him."
Two days later and he developed a sudden case of "Cat Got His Tongue."
Unless you can produce the link, I'm pretty certain that was one of the assistants at Vigor.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:14 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Unless you can produce the link, I'm pretty certain that was one of the assistants at Vigor.
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Stevenson said Philon, who took no other visits after committing in September and has not been to Arkansas, felt Wednesday morning like "he had the world snatched from up under him."
LINK
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:16 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
There you have it. But I'm not sure why y'all are all over Kerry Stevenson on this. I know you want to find some advantage over Nick Saban on the recuriting trail and want dirt on him. I'm sorry a kid's high school coach refuses to give you a negative sound byte.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:18 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Things changed with the 25 rule.
How so? Per NCAA you can only sign 25. They would have still greyshirted him, they just wouldnt have told him until everyone qualified.
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will likely have 1-2 non-qualifiers in this bunch,
Doubt it
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I doubt we're at the 85 limit come August. More like 83 or 84.
You all are taking 26 I believe you have only 23 sr's some of which I believe are walk ons, how many Jr's declared? 3? Unless some processing happens(which I dont since it doesnt need to happen) you will have a full 85 on scholarship, your full 2011 roster is 119 I believe.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:28 pm to NYCAuburn
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How so? Per NCAA you can only sign 25. They would have still greyshirted him, they just wouldnt have told him until everyone qualified.
The same way Alabama has in the past.
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Doubt it
Brandon Hill is still a longshot.
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You all are taking 26 I believe you have only 23 sr's some of which I believe are walk ons, how many Jr's declared? 3? Unless some processing happens(which I dont since it doesnt need to happen) you will have a full 85 on scholarship, your full 2011 roster is 119 I believe.
We signed 26. We had 19 seniors on scholarship that left. 3 junior declared early. That's 22. Normal attrition at any school is 3-4.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:32 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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But I'm not sure why y'all are all over Kerry Stevenson on this.
We're all over him on this because it comes across as the guy is letting his Bama fandom overcome standing up for one of his players. The kid was an emotional wreck, the coach alluded to it one day, and two days later is saying it's not his problem because DP "isn't my kid".
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I know you want to find some advantage over Nick Saban on the recuriting trail and want dirt on him.
I've said several times on here that this will be ancient history and a non-issue within a week.
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I'm sorry a kid's high school coach refuses to give you a negative sound byte.
I'd say it was less of a negative sound bite for me, and a more protective sound bite for one of his players that I would expect to see. Even if Chizik did this, I would expect the coach to express his disdain for how the situation went down. Something tells me that if that situation had occurred, Stevenson might be a little more forthcoming to the media with how he felt.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:34 pm to NYCAuburn
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You all are taking 26 I believe you have only 23 sr's some of which I believe are walk ons, how many Jr's declared? 3? Unless some processing happens(which I dont since it doesnt need to happen) you will have a full 85 on scholarship, your full 2011 roster is 119 I believe.
I don't think that Alabama ever releases their football scholarship information. They are the only school in the SEC that does not I believe.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:47 pm to Aubie Spr96
I don't care how it went down, I'm glad we got him and held onto Winston. I hope they get comfortable and fall in love with the place. Also hoping Philon and Winston open up S. Alabama recruiting for us.
Having McGee at UAB will be a boon for Petrino and UofA. McGee's relevant experience will mostly be at Arkansas with Petrino, when he's in a home talking to a parent or a recruit he'll use the phrase "like we did at Arkansas" over and over. The more UAB coaches refer to the Arkansas and Petrino model the more ever so slightly will the perception about Fayetteville and Petrino change and we'll snag more players from y'all.
We don't have a kid on campus that hits like Philon, Bama and Aubie's D punishes QB's on tackles, absolutely destroys their will, not just bringing them down for a loss or a sack. Jerry Franklin was a hoss but I never saw him try to drive his shoulder pads through a QB's spinal column. Bequette laid some quality hits but not many when a QB was staring him down the whole way.
The 25 rule means you have to be more efficient in your evaluations in all phases, character, on field, academic, etc. There's too much at risk to chance it on a screw up kid. This is a bit of an advantage for Petrino it plays into what he's already doing.
Having McGee at UAB will be a boon for Petrino and UofA. McGee's relevant experience will mostly be at Arkansas with Petrino, when he's in a home talking to a parent or a recruit he'll use the phrase "like we did at Arkansas" over and over. The more UAB coaches refer to the Arkansas and Petrino model the more ever so slightly will the perception about Fayetteville and Petrino change and we'll snag more players from y'all.
We don't have a kid on campus that hits like Philon, Bama and Aubie's D punishes QB's on tackles, absolutely destroys their will, not just bringing them down for a loss or a sack. Jerry Franklin was a hoss but I never saw him try to drive his shoulder pads through a QB's spinal column. Bequette laid some quality hits but not many when a QB was staring him down the whole way.
The 25 rule means you have to be more efficient in your evaluations in all phases, character, on field, academic, etc. There's too much at risk to chance it on a screw up kid. This is a bit of an advantage for Petrino it plays into what he's already doing.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:49 pm to allin2010
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LSU did it last year and folks were critical. I can see both sides, but believe the kid should have been told sooner so he would have had time to visit other schools
2 years ago. Outside the lines loves us.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:56 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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And here's Scarbo's take on Philon
There you have it. But I'm not sure why y'all are all over Kerry Stevenson on this. I know you want to find some advantage over Nick Saban on the recuriting trail and want dirt on him. I'm sorry a kid's high school coach refuses to give you a negative sound byte.
I just find it interesting that he made a comment right after it happened, then two days later we get this:
Scarbinsky: OK. Now what's his perspective on what happened?
"I don't have a perspective," he said.
Scarbinsky: Could Stevenson explain when Alabama asked Philon to grayshirt?
"I can't tell you that," the coach said.
Scarbinsky: But Philon is one of his players.
"It's not my child."
It's pretty obvious he was told not to talk to the media about this, or else....
If he had said something right after it happened like: "I'm not sure what was said to Philon, you'll have to ask Saban or his family," then I'm OK with that. The way it went down seems very very fishy.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:58 pm to memphisplaya
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:21 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Saban at his finest lookin out for No. 1
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:24 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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I really do not understand what the big deal is. They were both good to great players. They both had injuries. They were offered a greyshirt
When they committed, did they committ as a grey shirt? That is the ?
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