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Posted on 1/22/21 at 7:39 am to KingOfTheWorld
Fields is fools gold just like Haskins was. I thing Mac will go in the middle of the 2nd round unless he blows them away at the Sr Bowl. No doubt Mac is going to have to upgrade himself physically.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 7:44 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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And sometimes qbs are blessed to be on a team where literally every player in every game on your side is better than the opposing team. It’s not an exact science but it helps when you’re team is superior in every way to 99pct of your opponents.
Isn't that basically describing Clemson's entire regular season? I think that's the crux of the curiosity with Lawrence.
He's insanely gifted, but there's no doubt he has had some issues when facing opponents who match his team's in terms of talent. Specifically with consistent accuracy.
Under Pressure Adjusted Accuracy/NFL QB Rating
- Mac Jones - 70.2%/123.9
- Zach Wilson - 61.5%/98.5
- Trevor Lawrence - 54.5%/84.8
- Justin Fields - 62.2%/54.1
And look back last year
- Joe Burrow - 75.7%/141.1
- Tua Tagovailoa - 61.5%/86.4
Now it may not be indicative of anything - Justin Herbert had pretty bad pressure numbers in college and thrived this year, but I do think it's reasonable to wonder about it.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 7:53 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:04 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Fields is fools gold just like Haskins was.
LOL no. Fields is by all accounts a good kid and good teammate who works hard. Haskins is...not any of that. If he fails in the NFL it will be for none of the reasons Haskins has.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:08 am to TTsTowel
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His 2019 season was pretty absurd.
3,700 passing yards, 560 rushing yards and 45 total touchdowns vs 8 interceptions.
You're still missing the point. Those numbers don't even touch the production of recent top draft pick QBs who were similarly situated in terms of scheme, supporting cast, quality of opponents, etc. Why? If Trevor Lawrence is God's gift to football, which is what ESPN has told me for 3 years now, why was he unable to dominate ACC competition in historic fashion?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:35 am to Robot Santa
My issue with Lawrence.. while he does have good speed, it’s only shown on designed runs.. he doesn’t escape the pocket well. When he has to stand in the pocket and take hits, not only does his accuracy go down ( like most). but he gets timid and happy feet.
He has spend 95% of his last 7 years without having to get his uniform dirty.. this will not be the case soon!
Mac Jones.. while very accurate.. the ball takes forever to get there. Also, look at his gaudy numbers, how many of those are YACs and completions under 7 yds of LOS.
My guess it’s 80% or more!
He has spend 95% of his last 7 years without having to get his uniform dirty.. this will not be the case soon!
Mac Jones.. while very accurate.. the ball takes forever to get there. Also, look at his gaudy numbers, how many of those are YACs and completions under 7 yds of LOS.
My guess it’s 80% or more!
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:41 am to SidewalkTiger
I would take Trask. I am suspect of any quarterback from bama for the NFL. The position is always playing behind 5 star lineman. You are not getting a true picture of pocket awareness, ability to elude a rush, getting fast real time reads and throwing on the run. QB's for bama don't really have to be in a rush for anything. Just be accurate and have a decent arm. No way am I knocking anyone, just my view from a scouting standpoint.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:51 am to 3rddownonthe8
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Also, look at his gaudy numbers, how many of those are YACs and completions under 7 yds of LOS.
My guess it’s 80% or more!
Mac Jones throws lots of deep balls.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:05 am to 3rddownonthe8
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how many of those are YACs and completions under 7 yds of LOS.
My guess it’s 80% or more!
Your guess would be wrong. Really not even close. 145 of Mac's 402 attempts on the year traveled at least 11 yards in the air. So even spotting you a few yards on your < 7 in the air prediction, 36% of his pass attempts were intermediate or deep throws. By comparison, Burrow attempted 177 such intermediate or deep throws on total 527 attempts, or 33.5%.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:19 am to 3rddownonthe8
quote:why are you even talking about him? everything you say is wrong, and it's clear you haven't watched him play
Mac Jones.. while very accurate.. the ball takes forever to get there. Also, look at his gaudy numbers, how many of those are YACs and completions under 7 yds of LOS.
My guess it’s 80% or more!
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:36 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Dude,you have no argument . Really,pro ds against college? Really? That's all he could play against
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:52 am to SteelerBravesDawg
We had a guy draped all over Smith in the end zone, I think it was Yusuf Corker and Jones laid it right in there at the numbers. A perfect pass. So, I have seen Jones throw in a tight window. He is accurate.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:08 am to Tiger on the Rag
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I would take Trask
Look, I love Trask and it has been a pleasure to see him grow and produce at Florida. But when it comes to the NFL, he has 2 big glaring weaknesses:
#1 He doesn't have a lot of upside and isn't a plus athlete even as a pocket passer. You are only drafting his brain, his work ethic, and his average right arm.
#2 What he needs most to improve his overall game is the one thing rookie QBs with little upside never get - snaps. What he badly needs is like 3 more years of snapping the ball, evading the rush, and making the play. But backup QBs in the league don't get practice reps, they hold a clipboard, watch film, and collect a check.
I think he gets drafted by a team like Arizona in the middle of round 2, where he rides the bench and only appears in an emergency role.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:17 am to Lynxrufus2012
Trask and Fields are one read QB’s at this point. Fields has the physical skills but it doesn’t always translate in the NFL. Goldie Locks does not like pressure or people at his feet. If he gets behind a good oline he can do very well (no duh, right?)
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:47 am to Yellow Ledbetter
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Mac Jones throws lots of deep balls
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:56 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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He had wide open receivers everywhere at Bama, no tight windows, no need to read coverages pre or post snap, had all day to throw.
That ain't gonna be the case in the NFL, baw.
Do you know anything about football? Did you watch Jones play at all this season? You understand Bama’s offense was based ENTIRELY on reads pre-snap.
And having guys open and having the ability to throw to guys are completely different. Go watch the Natty. Those passes where caught in stride to where the receiver never had to adjust to ball. Perfect placement on the short goal line throws, the back shoulder to Smith, and the longer 20 yard+ throws - based on reads POST SNAP by the way.
This is a bad post and you should be embarrassed by it.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:04 am to TideSaint
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Save it.
You're a fan of two woefully underperforming teams who probably can't even tie his own shoes.
Been here 13 years, boy.
LOL. Ok. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But in the meantime, you couldn't be my GM if you were gonna take Wilson over TLaw.
I admit when I'm wrong.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:54 am to paperwasp
I’m really hoping to see Jones fall to saints. That man throws some really pretty passes and has a knack for putting the ball exactly where he needs to be. Keep him protected and you’ll have a good one. Saints olines is one of the best in the league
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:00 pm to public_enemy
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I’m really hoping to see Jones fall to saints. That man throws some really pretty passes and has a knack for putting the ball exactly where he needs to be. Keep him protected and you’ll have a good one. Saints olines is one of the best in the league
Me too.
However, I don't think he makes it past New England at #14.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:02 pm to TideSaint
Neither do I. Or past the Steelers possibly.
Colts could be another.
Unfortunate
Colts could be another.
Unfortunate
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