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re: Wonderlic Scores of QB's leaked.. Do they matter
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:57 pm to thomasbrown_2007
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:57 pm to thomasbrown_2007
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Who cares, even some of the top quarterbacks have done bad and the worst NFL quartbacks have done good. It's a pointless test
You are aware you basically said some people that were drunk while texting and driving didn't die in a car crash, and some people that weren't drunk and texting did? Right? Statistics and probabilities aren't definite, but your chances for survival are much better if you follow them (franchise qb or drunk while texting and driving)
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 6:36 pm to AUsteriskPride
the scores aren't indicative to any degree of the possible success of an nfl qb ... anyone who thinks there's a link between intelligence/decision making on the test and intelligence/decision making on the field is an idiot ...
reading an nfl defense isn't brain surgery ... it requires intrinsic mental ability to some degree, but it mainly requires a strong/accurate arm and experience, and on occasion, fast feet ...
reading an nfl defense isn't brain surgery ... it requires intrinsic mental ability to some degree, but it mainly requires a strong/accurate arm and experience, and on occasion, fast feet ...
Posted on 3/30/18 at 7:00 pm to BIGJLAW
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Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs
Josh Allen: 37
Josh Rosen: 29
Sam Darnold: 28
Baker Mayfield: 25
Lamar Jackson: 13
Well, since Marino scored a 13, I would be most apt to choose Jackson.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 7:04 pm to tiderider
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the scores aren't indicative to any degree of the possible success of an nfl qb ... anyone who thinks there's a link between intelligence/decision making on the test and intelligence/decision making on the field is an idiot ...
I suppose you didn't review the score range for the QBs I listed?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 7:13 pm to tiderider
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the scores aren't indicative to any degree of the possible success of an nfl qb
Really? These are the all time NFL QB rating leaders. How many sub 25 scores do you see on this list? (I've looked up the Wonderlic scores and added them in bold, for those of you who are too stupid to think they don't matter)
Only a fricking moron thinks they aren't a solid indicator of the ability to play quarterback. Yes, that's 19 championships in the last 35 superbowls, dumbfricks.
So many clueless people in this thread.
Rank Player Rate Years Tm
1 Aaron Rodgers 103.8 2005-2017 gnb 35
2 Russell Wilson 98.8 2012-2017 sea 28
3 Tom Brady 97.6 2000-2017 nwe 33
4 Tony Romo 97.1 2004-2016 dal 37
5 Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM 33
6 Drew Brees 96.7 2001-2017 2TM 28
7 Peyton Manning 96.5 1998-2015 2TM 28
8 Philip Rivers 94.8 2004-2017 sdg 30
9 Ben Roethlisbe 94.0 2004-2017 pit 25
10 Kirk Cousins 93.7 2012-2017 was 33
11 Kurt Warner+ 93.7 1998-2009 3TM 29
12 Matt Ryan 93.4 2008-2017 atl 32
13 Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM 21
14 Chad Pennington 90.1 2000-2010 2TM 25
15 Matt Schaub 89.1 2004-2016 4TM 31
16 Colin Kaepernic 88.9 2011-2016 sfo 38
17 Andy Dalton 88.7 2011-2017 cin 39
18 Matthew Staffor 88.3 2009-2017 det 38
19 Carson Palmer 87.9 2004-2017 3TM 26
20 Daunte Culpeppe 87.8 1999-2009 4TM 18
ETA - I'm adding the data from the posts below for the next time some idiot says the Wonderlic isn't relevant.
-13 of the last 20 NFL mvp's are on this list. The only other QB winner was Cam Newton with a respectable 21.
-No QB with a reliably reported score of less than 21 has won the Superbowl in 39 years.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:00 pm to Evolved Simian
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This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:04 pm to Evolved Simian
Oh, and that's 13 of the last 20 AP NFL MVP's, for anyone who's still stupid enough to think the test is not an indicator.
The only other QB to win the MVP in that period was Cam Newton with a not-too-bad 21. So, even though QB's almost always win this award, no QB with less than a 21 has won the MVP in 34 years.
The only other QB to win the MVP in that period was Cam Newton with a not-too-bad 21. So, even though QB's almost always win this award, no QB with less than a 21 has won the MVP in 34 years.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:07 pm to coachcrisp
I’m surprised the players association allows the scores to be leaked. Seems unfair in a way
Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:17 pm to Morty
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Seems unfair in a way
How? They let you know which players run a fast or slow 40. Why not let you know which ones have have optimal/suboptimal intellect?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 8:51 pm to Evolved Simian
Yes, I'm still googling stats.
No QB with a reliably released score under 21 has won a Superbowl in 39 years (I've seen one source that Phil Simms scored 10, but no others), and only Joe Montana was as low as 21.
Bradshaw was the last, and those days are long gone.
No QB with a reliably released score under 21 has won a Superbowl in 39 years (I've seen one source that Phil Simms scored 10, but no others), and only Joe Montana was as low as 21.
Bradshaw was the last, and those days are long gone.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:42 pm to tiderider
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the scores aren't indicative to any degree of the possible success of an nfl qb ... anyone who thinks there's a link between intelligence/decision making on the test and intelligence/decision making on the field is an idiot .
I have no idea what correlation exists, and don't care enough to research, but the glaring fallacy of referring to it as a 'link' is a classic and egregious example of begging the question, not to mention the very real possibility that the test is administered for reasons other than a direct determination of how a QB will do.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 8:37 am to Morty
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I’m surprised the players association allows the scores to be leaked. Seems unfair in a way
I got a feeling that a structured 15 minute conversation with one of them would field about the same conclusion.Posted on 3/31/18 at 2:34 pm to coachcrisp
I agree.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 5:29 pm to Rohan Gravy
Yes, Josh Rosen has franchise QB written all over him.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 6:43 pm to BIGJLAW
Lot of low IQ people trying to diminish the importance of intelligence ITT
Posted on 3/31/18 at 7:45 pm to dbeck
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Lot of low IQ people trying to diminish the importance of intelligence ITT
It's ridiculous how dumb their statements are, given that the correlation between a high score and success at the QB position is indisputable.
I'm betting most of them would post a score below Lamar Jackson.
This post was edited on 3/31/18 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 3/31/18 at 8:15 pm to Evolved Simian
To sum up this thread: Dumb people don't think intelligence tests have any bearing. Smart people understand the importance of intelligence tests.
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Posted on 3/31/18 at 9:06 pm to MeatPants
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What did Manziel get on the test
cocaine dust
Posted on 4/1/18 at 12:37 am to Barstools
I just scored a 41 on a sample one online...the time is definitely the thing that kills you. I would have done better without the time pressure. I think I had only answered 20 by the time half of the time was gone. A few I knew would take to long I just wrote an answer for the hell of it. Missed answering the last question by like a second.
I'm out of practice on standardized testing as I graduated high school 12 years ago
I'm out of practice on standardized testing as I graduated high school 12 years ago
Posted on 4/1/18 at 7:04 am to dbeck
quote:" My Mamma used to say, 'stupid is as stupid does.'"
Lot of low IQ people trying to diminish the importance of intelligence ITT
my use of quotation marks may put me in that category!
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