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re: Wonderlic Scores of QB's leaked.. Do they matter
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:50 am to Vecchio Cane
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:50 am to Vecchio Cane
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Not a difficult test. But if you've never been exposed to these type of questions it could be tricky
It's the 12 minutes to answer 50 questions that is the kicker, so roughly 14.5 seconds each. Given enough time, I'm sure most people could answer the majority correctly.
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:52 am to LSU Patrick
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It's hilarious that people think this test is valid much less useful.
It's hilarious that people think this test has been given for almost 50 years for the hell of it.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:58 am to AUsteriskPride
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It's hilarious that people think this test has been given for almost 50 years for the hell of it.
People still believe that going out in the rain can make you sick despite hundreds of years of evidence to the contrary. Just because people continue doing something doesn't make it valid.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:43 am to LSU Patrick
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People still believe that going out in the rain can make you sick despite hundreds of years of evidence to the contrary. Just because people continue doing something doesn't make it valid.
Right.. A good 75% of franchise QBs scored at a certain level. I'll run the numbers for longevity and success per score range this weekend just to provide an even more evidence based argument.
As with any statistical analysis, there are outliers, but to say the test is pointless when just doing a quick run through scores proves otherwise is just being blatantly obtuse. It all revolves around improving your odds on multi-million dollar gambles. The scores most definitely mean something.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:44 am to Rohan Gravy
quote:agreed in Rosen being my pick IF i am a dome or a fair weather city. If a windy northern city, i go allen. aka cleveland, chicago, buffalo, new york, etc i go Allen in those places of rosen just b/c of stature and strength.
If true...It reinforces my picks as the Josh’s being the two best QB’s in this draft.
I would take Rosen #1.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:13 pm to BIGJLAW
I see a pattern
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:21 pm to LSU Patrick
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LSU Patrick
As I stated previously, I am guessing the statistical analysis will show a range starting at 28 is optimal. Also, there is definitely going to be a cap to the score. Just as scoring too low seems to signal low chance of success, scoring too high also does.
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Drew Brees - 28
Peyton Manning - 28
Tom Brady - 33
Eli Manning - 33
Tony Romo- 37
Drew Bledsoe - 36
Troy Aikman - 29
Philip Rivers - 30
Aaron Rodgers - 35
Matt Ryan - 32
Matt Stafford - 38
Steve Young - 33
Andrew Luck - 37
John Elway - 29
Andy Dalton - 29
Nick Foles - 29
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:26 pm to BIGJLAW
Who cares about some arbitrary dick measuring test
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:33 pm to CarolinaCock
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Who cares about some arbitrary dick measuring test
How is measuring how quickly mental processing occurs at the QB level an arbitrary dick measuring test?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:42 pm to AUsteriskPride
To be fair, the difficulty of the wonderlic test isn't the complexity of the questions, it the time limit.
Edit: I missed this post above, it's spot on.
Edit: I missed this post above, it's spot on.
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It's the 12 minutes to answer 50 questions that is the kicker, so roughly 14.5 seconds each. Given enough time, I'm sure most people could answer the majority correctly.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:27 pm to Vecchio Cane
Question 4 interests me. The words have a variety of meanings. A game preserve and a game reserve are the same thing, and reserving a seat to preserve your access to it is a case of pretty similar meanings, but nobody says the reservation of life or that a stoic man has dignity and preserve.
Or maybe I'm overthinking it?
Edit: A good sign of intelligence? You look at #9 and decide immediately to come back to it if you have time left over. It's not hard, but it would likely be time-consuming for your average QB prospect under pressure.
Or maybe I'm overthinking it?
Edit: A good sign of intelligence? You look at #9 and decide immediately to come back to it if you have time left over. It's not hard, but it would likely be time-consuming for your average QB prospect under pressure.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:30 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Lamar Jackson: 13
Shocker
Oh look! the Ole Miss guy doesn't think Black People are as smart as white people.. Shocker!
I'm joking btw.. before someone gets hurt on tRant
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:33 pm to AUsteriskPride
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As with any statistical analysis, there are outliers, but to say the test is pointless when just doing a quick run through scores proves otherwise is just being blatantly obtuse. It all revolves around improving your odds on multi-million dollar gambles. The scores most definitely mean something.
They may mean something, but it is not what people think they mean. All graduate programs require a GRE score prior to acceptance. Have you ever looked up the predictive validity of the GRE? It is like 9%. So, why do graduate programs use it as one of the primary criteria for acceptance? They use it because it has better predictive validity than any other single measure sans undergraduate GPA. That does not make it a good predictor of success, however.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:59 pm to LSU Patrick
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That does not make it a good predictor of success, however
If you would look back at my posts in this thread, I never claimed predictably was perfect, as we are dealing with human action, nor is it even close to the largest parameter. My whole point is franchise QBs score score in a certain range a lot more often than not. If you can improve your odds by 10% in getting the right guy, that is drastic in a league where a QB means so much.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 4:24 pm to AUsteriskPride
For anyone interested, I am going to create a spreadsheet and code in R (with my very intelligent wife's assistance of course). I will include combine results, Wonderlic scores, legal issues prior/after the draft, career stats, personal awards, pro-bowl appearances, super bowl appearances, and longevity in the league. With her assistance, it should be very thorough and as accurate as possible in terms of predictability. It might be better suited for the MSB, but she's an ace in statistical analysis.
If anyone has an opinion of other parameters I should add, let me know. The more statistical data the better to pinpoint how much the Wonderlic score actually means.
If anyone has an opinion of other parameters I should add, let me know. The more statistical data the better to pinpoint how much the Wonderlic score actually means.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 4:31 pm to AUsteriskPride
if you are just entering data, why cant you do that in csv then run stats in R?
isnt that easier than entering that shite in R itself?
isnt that easier than entering that shite in R itself?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:21 pm to fareplay
Wife told me to enter my parameters in Excel, then she would code it in R. I am not the statistical pro. Hell, I'll ask her when she gets to the house. Spreadsheets are easy, project management has made me a pro at them. If you have suggestions, bring them on, otherwise, I'll go the way of her expertise (population modeling).
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:33 pm to LSU Patrick
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These are always fun. It's hilarious that people think this test is valid much less useful.
Jesus Christ, you LSU people are fricking stupid. There's a reason the NFL continues to give these tests. Particularly at certain positions. You need Dan Marino's arm to overcome being as stupid as he was.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:39 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Not a difficult test. But if you've never been exposed to these type of questions it could be tricky
You have been exposed to ten of the twelve questions in your sample by the time you are in sixth grade.
It's tricky if you're stupid, or if you're lazy. That's it.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:51 pm to pvilleguru
Yup, quick evaluation of a situation and proper decision making aren't important in today's NFL. Especially at the QB position.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 5:55 pm
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