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re: Who is the worst coach to win a championship?
Posted on 8/15/21 at 2:06 pm to bdavids09
Posted on 8/15/21 at 2:06 pm to bdavids09
Jimbo Fisher. Won his only title because of luck and talent. Should had won back to back titles but his teams was undisciplined. Look at the condition he left FSU in, it speaks for itself.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 2:15 pm to bdavids09
I have to go with Les. Had the talent to win multiple Championship and still had to depend on a two loss season to get one.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 2:15 pm to TigerLunatik
IMO, Coker gets more criticism than he deserves.
Coker won the national title with an undefeated season in his first year at Miami in 2001. In 2002, Miami was a controversial pass interference penalty away from winning it again with another undefeated season. Only '94-'95 Nebraska won B2B undefeated titles that I can recall in my 42 years on the Earth. So Coker's first two years were just one play shy of being as good as you can possibly do.
After that, Miami went 11-2 in 2003, 9-3 in 2004, 9-3 in 2005, and 7-6 in 2006.
Since then, Miami has had one ten win season, three nine win seasons, and a bunch of seasons around .500 across four coaching tenures. Not a helluva lot of success.
And even though Butch Davis built the team that Coker inherited, consider this:
1. Davis should have won the national title in 2000. He had all that 2001 talent plus Reggie Wayne and Dan Morgan. I think they kick the shite out of Oklahoma if they had played at the end of the year. So that was a missed opportunity that Davis screwed up. Davis is a defensive guy, Coker was OC, and the one game they lost was 34-29 to Washington. Coker didn't give up 34 pts.
2. Davis has no track record of being able to recruit that well for the long haul, like Saban has done. That 2000 team was Butch's sixth and the 2001 would have been his seventh. Was it just a couple of really good years recruiting or would Butch have fielded future NFL teams for another ten years if he hadn't left Miami? We don't really know that. He hasn't done anything else at another program to suggest he can recruit future NFL Hall of Famers on the regular and if AD's around the country believed he could he wouldn't be at Florida frickin' International.
3. I think Miami's days as an elite program were numbered regardless of Coker, Davis, or most anyone else. Money has become such a huge part of winning in CFB and Miami just doesn't spend like other programs. Things are different now than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago.
Now was Coker a good head coach? No, probably not. But I don't think he was as awful as he's made out to be and he won a good bit on the front end with a program that was full of talent but (IMO) was on an inevitable downward trend to mediocrity.
Coker won the national title with an undefeated season in his first year at Miami in 2001. In 2002, Miami was a controversial pass interference penalty away from winning it again with another undefeated season. Only '94-'95 Nebraska won B2B undefeated titles that I can recall in my 42 years on the Earth. So Coker's first two years were just one play shy of being as good as you can possibly do.
After that, Miami went 11-2 in 2003, 9-3 in 2004, 9-3 in 2005, and 7-6 in 2006.
Since then, Miami has had one ten win season, three nine win seasons, and a bunch of seasons around .500 across four coaching tenures. Not a helluva lot of success.
And even though Butch Davis built the team that Coker inherited, consider this:
1. Davis should have won the national title in 2000. He had all that 2001 talent plus Reggie Wayne and Dan Morgan. I think they kick the shite out of Oklahoma if they had played at the end of the year. So that was a missed opportunity that Davis screwed up. Davis is a defensive guy, Coker was OC, and the one game they lost was 34-29 to Washington. Coker didn't give up 34 pts.
2. Davis has no track record of being able to recruit that well for the long haul, like Saban has done. That 2000 team was Butch's sixth and the 2001 would have been his seventh. Was it just a couple of really good years recruiting or would Butch have fielded future NFL teams for another ten years if he hadn't left Miami? We don't really know that. He hasn't done anything else at another program to suggest he can recruit future NFL Hall of Famers on the regular and if AD's around the country believed he could he wouldn't be at Florida frickin' International.
3. I think Miami's days as an elite program were numbered regardless of Coker, Davis, or most anyone else. Money has become such a huge part of winning in CFB and Miami just doesn't spend like other programs. Things are different now than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago.
Now was Coker a good head coach? No, probably not. But I don't think he was as awful as he's made out to be and he won a good bit on the front end with a program that was full of talent but (IMO) was on an inevitable downward trend to mediocrity.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 2:17 pm to bdavids09
Larry Coker makes Chizik look like a genius
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:01 pm to bdavids09
Orgeron. The man is borderline retarded.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:03 pm to SadUCFKnight
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SadUCFKnight
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Scott Frost
We aren't talking about titles of the made-up variety
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:05 pm to bdavids09
Ed Chizik
I mean Gene Orgeron. shite
I mean Gene Orgeron. shite
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:13 pm to remaster916
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O is a mascot.
Just another something he has in common with saban.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:14 pm to bdavids09
Ed Orgeron. Just look at his HC record outside of the title.
Say what you will about Miles and 2007; he was one game away from winning it again in 2011.
Seriously though, all trolling aside?
Gene Chizik.
Say what you will about Miles and 2007; he was one game away from winning it again in 2011.
Seriously though, all trolling aside?
Gene Chizik.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:19 pm to bdavids09
Anybody from Ohio State
Anybody from U$C
Anybody from U$C
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:20 pm to bdavids09
I see good arguments for Coker, Chizik and O.
But in the end, I think it has to be Chizik. I suppose O could catch him with a few bad seasons, and he got a start on that last year, but for now it is still Chizik.
But in the end, I think it has to be Chizik. I suppose O could catch him with a few bad seasons, and he got a start on that last year, but for now it is still Chizik.
This post was edited on 8/15/21 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:23 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
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Orgeron. The man is borderline retarded.
Yet he's the guy that stepped in, after Sark melted down, and held that season together at USC.
I'll be the first to admit, I don't understand O. I think, honestly, if he were an assistant at LSU - he'd be perfect. He's just not a year in and year out guy that should be in charge. And that's not a knock at him. He's still, if I suddenly won about five lotteries and decided to start a college just to have a football team - one of the guys I'd want on my coaching staff.
Just not the guy at the top.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:25 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
Being a head football coach in college is all about three things: 1) recruiting 2) hiring good people and 3) being a good enough leader to manage all the workings of a major college program. It's very much a CEO position.
If you can bring in the right people and lead/inspire them you can be an imbecile with X's and O's and still be a very successful HFC - as long as you know you're an imbecile with X's and O's and stay out of that area (which knowing your limitations and having the humility to hire people better at those things is part of being a good leader).
I give O a lot of credit for bringing in great people in 2019, but it remains to be seen if he can do that consistently.
If you can bring in the right people and lead/inspire them you can be an imbecile with X's and O's and still be a very successful HFC - as long as you know you're an imbecile with X's and O's and stay out of that area (which knowing your limitations and having the humility to hire people better at those things is part of being a good leader).
I give O a lot of credit for bringing in great people in 2019, but it remains to be seen if he can do that consistently.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:25 pm to skrayper
It's Larry Coker. They should have had a dynasty. So many good players, coaching competition was way down in the early 00's, they were right smack in the middle of the most fertile recruiting area in the nation. The move to the ACC should have cemented them into the elite, but he fricked it up so hard. Chizik is a good shout, but he beat a well seasoned Nick Saban, and Chip Kelly at his peak in 2010. Also beat Spurrier at his peak.
A lot of you are trolling with Les Miles. Won a natty, and would have had another one if the pollsters hadn't fricked up so bad in 2011. Jimbo? That's definitely a troll job.
A lot of you are trolling with Les Miles. Won a natty, and would have had another one if the pollsters hadn't fricked up so bad in 2011. Jimbo? That's definitely a troll job.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:33 pm to bdavids09
Whoever coached UCF. Oh wait, that wasn’t a real championship.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:35 pm to DashRipRock
I’m in no way defending Frost or UCF, but the gif is hilarious.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 3:35 pm to bdavids09
Mike Dubose won an sec championship and beat Florida twice in one season
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