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shite their coaching staff was one the best ever as well in CFB history...

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You do realize having a guy like that in the backfield changed the way defenses played the game right? He paved the way for tons of guys that came after him because teams saw the value in the way he played the position.

I don’t know that Craig was a revolutionary talent so much as the 49ers had a revolutionary scheme under Bill Walsh.
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and had that memorable run towards the end of the game of 4th &1 that is still shown in highlight reels to this day.

Riggins has a large legacy in the NFL. He is the embodiment of the Hogs-era Redskins, and legacy matters a lot.

Craig was never the star of the 49ers - nor did he have that iconic play or game that people remember.
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Definitely seems odd they made him wait for 33 years after retirement.

There are 12 RB’s in the HOF whose careers started after 1980. Craig is 11th in rushing yards, yards from scrimmage, and touchdowns - only behind Terrell Davis (seven seasons) in all three categories.

Craig played well in three Super Bowl wins, but he didn’t take over any of those games individually like Terrell Davis in SB32 or Emmitt Smith in the second half of SB28. Rice and Montana were the stars. He also infamously fumbled away a shot at a threepeat in the 1990 NFCCG.

I said in an earlier post that Craig reminds me a little bit of Troy Aikman. He was a good player who played with better players and has a legacy that is almost exclusively tied to the success of his teams at their peak more than his individual stats or career impact over a long period of time.

I am not necessarily saying Craig doesn’t belong in the HOF, but he was never a surefire candidate either.

ETA: I get the “33 years,” just pointing out some reasons I think he was a fringe candidate who finally got in.
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Could you date a woman who claims to be bisexual?

I will “date” a lot of women with questionable lifestyles, as will many men. Marry? Entirely different ballgame.
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And by that I mean a love letter to St. Louis,it's fans and the people who got him there. Instead he talked about his stocking shelves story and skimmed over way too many teammates and those who elevated him to the Hall of Fame.

frick all that.

The fans would have booed him if he sucked, and the NFL is about self-preservation. No one is pushing anyone to the top for selfless reasons.

Nothing wrong with thanking fans, coaches, and teammates, but if a HOF inductee wants to talk a bit about rising from his low points, well, have at it. He doesn’t owe anyone shite.

Kurt Warner is the main reason Kurt Warner is in the HOF.
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I think because his "stardom" at his position just seemed a bit brief.

His career reminds me a bit of Troy Aikman’s.

He had a brief period of great success when his surrounding cast was elite and at its zenith - and if you took those couple of years away it would be pushing it to call him a great player, at least statistically, much less a Hall of Famer.
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Do Illegals commit more crimes by percentage than US Citizens?

It doesn’t matter. They shouldn’t be here.

Think of it like a school. You have students in your district who are zoned for your school and there’s not much you can do about having those troublemakers in your hallways and classrooms.

But if they’re from out of district and wanting to come and they have a poor disciplinary record, you have more recourse. You tell them no. If you find out they are in your school and not supposed to be, you tell them to hit the road.

Better to have 99 bad kids than 100. Get rid of every single one you can.

And the crime rate among illegals is 100%. They committed a major crime by being here illegally in the first place.

While I am on my soapbox…

1. I want every illegal gone - yesterday.
2. I want birthright citizenship overturned.
3. I want heavy immigration restrictions in general - but especially from Islamic countries.
4. I want all DEI shite gone. There wasn’t a lot of diversity at Omaha Beach or the Hoover Dam construction site or first responders running into their deaths trying to save people in the Twin Towers.

Alienating the descendants of the people who built this country and have defended it for 250 years in favor of anyone else is bullshite. I’m all for a fair shake for everyone, but not a damn bit less.

There’s nothing wrong with defending the culture of your country and not wanting your kids, grandkids, and great grandkids, to become outsiders in their own homeland - because that’s what’s going to happen if we don’t get a grip on things.
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Sydney Sweeney shows up unannounced in her hometown of Spokane to help wildfire victims

I’m always a little skeptical of the public acts of generosity by celebrities. Is the motivation to help people or give their public image a boost? It would be very easy to have an intermediary handle such things without all the fanfare and attention



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Literally the game before lsu Clemson won at the last second. Osu physically whipped them all game.

I was talking about 2018.

Obviously.
One thing people don’t always look at is style matchups and how one team matches up against another team, especially in an underdog role.

For example, let’s say Team A runs two TE Power-I and tries to shove it down your throat. They can trample you to death but can’t throw it a lick. Well, in that case, it’s better for Team B to have an A+ defensive front and C secondary than vice versa. That All-State FS isn’t worth much against isos and traps and powers and counters with the DL getting blown off the ball. But the All-State MLB is valuable against that style.

If you look at national championship teams and their closest games (or even losses), they were often against teams that had an unusual ability to match or mitigate their strengths or exploit their weaknesses.

2019 LSU’s weakness was its defense. Well, it is going to be pretty damn hard to hold down a healthy Tua and all those receivers without a great D, so they played some close games against teams that could score. The same for 2020 Bama.

2001 Miami’s weakness was Ken Dorsey. Dorsey wasn’t a bad player at all, but he was not the future NFL stud that Portis, Shockey, and Johnson were on O and others on D. In the close win against BC, Dorsey threw four picks and they damn near lost.

Look at 2011 LSU and Bama. They blew out tons of teams but couldn’t score on each other because their passing games were limited and the defensive fronts were too good to push around.

The teams that beat Bama at their most physical were teams with a dynamic QB that could throw and improvise. If you tried to just push them around, you were going to get stuffed. Same thing with Kirby’s peak UGA teams.

1995 Nebraska’s weakness was they did not have players with NFL talent in the passing game - and generally didn’t in the Osborne-Solich years. Well, that’s okay against Kansas, Kansas State, rock bottom OU, and pre-Stoops UF. But when it’s the Selmon bros., Casillas and Bosworth, and all those future NFL Hall of Famers at DL/LB like FSU and Miami had back in the day, then you have a matchup problem and you’re typically going to have a hard time scoring. I have often said that 1995 Nebraska’s dominance had a lot to do with playing opponents less capable of exploiting a one-dimensional run-oriented offense than in previous seasons.

2018 Clemson had one of the most balanced rosters in CFB history when Sunshine was in the driver’s seat. They were never pushed in games he started and finished. They may not have had a supernatural passing game like 2019 LSU, but they were good to great everywhere.

You’re not going to lose too many games with a future #1 pick at QB and three first rounders in the DL.
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There's absolutely nothing that could happen in the 2020 CFB season that could produce to a team to be considered the "greatest in CFB history".

Well, they certainly are when you Google greatest college teams of all time.

I mean, I am sure there’s someone out there saying Joe Montana was a bad QB. Everyone and everything has their haters.
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I like how you worded it "Nebraska hadn't won a game in nearly 2 months" like they were playing in multiple games during that timeframe. They won their second to last game on 11/10. Had a bye week. Lost the season finale. And then there was a month and a half long gap until the BCS Championship game. Clever wording though

I laid it out very clearly.

Nebraska played one game in a 54 day period (a 26 pt. loss) leading up to the national championship against Miami. That is a lone shitty performance wrapped in an absurd amount of downtime.

However, OSU played four games in that same period, including handing Clemson its worst loss in six seasons.
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Every single one of these teams played against an NC opponent having played the same amount of games...except one

So by your logic if Clemson hadn’t lost to Ohio State by three TD’s and had been in the national title game with an 11-1 record, then 2020 Bama’s claims of historic greatness would be legit because the Tigers played more games?

Am I following you?
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Every single one of these teams played a NC opponent who started their season at the same time...except one

What about how they finished it?

2001 Miami is pretty much universally in the GOAT conversation - yet they won the national title against a Nebraska team that hadn’t won a game in nearly two months.

Miami and Nebraska played on 1/3. Nebraska lost by 26 pts. to Colorado on 11/23. They had a bye on 11/17 and beat KSU on 11/10.

Miami walked on the field for the national championship game against a team they had played one game in almost two months - and that was a 26 pt. loss.

That’s ridiculous.
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I want you to imagine a world where Ohio State beats Alabama. Are you saying a team who won a whopping 5 regular season games would seriously considered to be one of the best of teams of all time? Gtfo

2001 Miami’s bowl opponent wouldn’t have been on the GOAT conversation with a win either. So what’s your point?

I don’t think anyone would have disputed OSU as the national champion if they had beaten Clemson and Bama back to back. The best teams played. That’s highly questionable in the case of 2001Miami and Nebraska.

2001 Miami had one of the weakest bowl opponents - yet I don’t ever see anyone questioning it.
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What in the frick does NFL draft picks have to do with anything ?

Generally a lot.
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Bama fans will literally use any obscure factoid to try to make some sort of jumbled nonsense point about 2020.

I’m not a Bama fan, but arguments against their 2020 team’s historic greatness are stupid.
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Bama did the NCAA a massive favor decimating that Ohio state team. Do you really think everyone would have been content with a 6 win team who started their season in October claiming the national title if OSU won? You think there wouldn’t have been some questioning the entire season as a farce?

After beating Clemson and Trevor Lawrence by three touchdowns and then beating Bama, I don’t think anyone else would have been chomping at the bit to play OSU - regardless of how many asses they kicked beforehand.

If you think that would have been controversial, then you don’t know much about the history of CFB. It thrives on controversy.

National championship teams have lost bowl games, been given extra downs, survived illegal plays, split many titles, and the world didn’t crumble.
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They aren’t in the discussion.

Google it. Run it through AI.

2020 Bama comes up all the time.
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But to compare this anomaly and outlier of a season with all the circumstances and modifications to the other college football seasons as if they're the same is literally impossible because all the other seasons were fundamentally different than this season

So what about teams that benefited from the restrictions of earlier eras?

Should we question the mid ‘90s Nebraska dynasty because they didn’t have to play 1994 Penn State and 1997 Michigan? No conference championship or semifinal in 1995?

At least 2020 Alabama had to suit up against the best of the year.

If you take out the conference championship - a game 1995 Nebraska didn’t have to play - then 2020 Alabama wins every game by 15+ points, They already played more elite talent, as I mentioned in an earlier post.

So what gives? Why can we just assume that 1995 Nebraska would have beaten whoever by 50 pts. in a conference championship? It was the Big XII championship game the next year, mind you, when they lost to Texas as a 21 pt. favorite.

2001 Miami didn’t have to play a conference championship or semifinal. They also lucked into a bowl game against a Nebraska team that had just lost by 26 points, didn’t really deserve to be there, and that they historically matched up well against from a style standpoint.

Florida or Tennessee probably would have matched up better against the Canes and had a better chance to beat (or at least push) them.

There are plenty of teams in the GOAT conversation that didn’t exactly face a gauntlet every single week.

Now I completely agree that 2019 LSU faced perhaps the most challenging season of all time, but they are not the only team in the discussion.

Do I think 2020 Bama is the GOAT? No. Do I think they’re historically great and in the discussion? Yes. Do I think their season was as challenging (from an opponent standpoint) as many others throughout the history of CFB? Yes.
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2020 Bama Defeated an Ohio State team in the national championship that won 6 games.

2020 Bama and OSU combined for seven first round draft picks and 20 overall picks the following spring. (19/20 played in the championship.) Whether they played 6 games, 12 games, or whatever, beforehand, that’s a lot of talent on the field.

For reference, 1995 Nebraska and Florida (in the infamous Fiesta Bowl) combined for just one first round draft pick and 12 overall picks.

1995 Nebraska and all of their opponents combined had just 2 first rounders. 2020 Bama had/faced 11 first rounders, 2019 LSU had/faced 18 first rounders, and 2025 Indiana had/faced 14 first rounders (16 if you count Oregon twice).

1995 Nebraska also only played 12 games. 2020 Bama played 13, 2019 LSU played 15, and 2025 Indiana played 16.

Yet no one criticizes 1995 Nebraska for the low number of games played and the lack of NFL ready talent they faced - or had - compared to other GOAT contenders.
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No matter how you view it, it was not a normal year.

There’s no such thing as a normal year in CFB. The sport changes all the time.

Many people here consider 1995 Nebraska and 2001 Miami at the very top of the GOAT argument - yet they only played eleven regular season games and a bowl. No conference championship and no playoffs at all. If you’re trying to go undefeated and win a national title, fewer games makes it easier, yeah?

Indiana just played twelve regular season games, a conference championship, two playoff games, and a national title. Maybe we should invalidate GOAT claims from teams outside the expanded playoff era? Or maybe not because of all the super seniors, etc.?

2020 Bama might have had unique circumstances in CFB history - but certainly not easier circumstances than many previous seasons.

Winning a national title without even having to play the best opponent out there due to bowl ties (or having 1-2 mulligans due to fortunate circumstances) is preferable to a lack of crowd noise.
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If you were forced to watch one, which would you pick?

Skull is a bad movie, but it doesn’t just neuter a legendary character the way Jedi does.

Give me Skull.
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More atheists and agnostics are sitting in church pews than you probably realize, attending for family, tradition, community, or simple habit rather than belief.

Right or wrong, there’s a lot of motivation for an atheist in the Bible Belt to play along with Christianity to at least some extent and keep their true feelings hidden.

A known atheist in Smalltown, Alabama, might face difficulty finding a good spouse or attaining a prominent political or professional position in the community.

It’s often easier to just play the game like an actor, and I know exactly what that’s like.

So yes, there are at least some atheists sitting in church pews on Sundays - and maybe more than many think.
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You don't seem to understand that each time a Bama fan feels the need to defend the 2020 team it only adds fuel to the fire.

I’m not a fan of anyone, but I will debate until the cows come home about most anything.
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Sadly I'm afraid the "list makers" will disagree as time passes. In fact, I've already seen some of the media pundits who have moved them down on their list of greatest title teams.

Don't shoot the messenger, I was just as surprised as any Bama fan.

Ha! Oh yes. I am sure 2020 Alabama (with 3/5 Heisman finalists, a record six first round draft picks, and Saban’s immense legacy attached to it) is just going to plummet down GOAT lists as the years go by.

Good one.
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As a resident of Oklahoma, this video always cracks me up:

Christians thank God when people survive things like this, but no one blames him when they don’t. And in neither case will you actually see God.

I think God has a pretty sweet gig. So easy he could perform it just as well if he didn’t exist at all.

Even Superman has to at least show up each time to be praised for saving the day.