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re: This is why conference champions should never automatically get a bid into the playoff.

Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:32 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:32 pm to
It happens often in the NFL and MLB.

Shitty team punch their tickets to the big dance winning their conference tourney.
Posted by ZeusStamos
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:40 pm to
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It happens often in the NFL and MLB.

Shitty team punch their tickets to the big dance winning their conference tourney.


And the regular seasons in those sports don't even compare to college football.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 10:41 pm
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:11 pm to
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And the regular seasons in those sports don't even compare to college football


Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:12 pm to
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What if a 7-5 and an 8-4 team replaced USC and Wisconsin? Wouldn't want to watch those blowouts.



underdogs win constantly in sports.

it's why we, you know, play the game.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:16 pm to
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both of its losses were to top 5 teams. Are you really going to tell me that a 7-5 team deserves to be in over that team just because it won its conference?


well yea, that's how sports work.

you wanna tell the winner of the NFC West they can't go on because they have 3 losses compared to a wild card that has 2 losses?
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:21 pm to
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^ read above posts. If we were cool with 5 loss teams competing for championships, it would ruin what is otherwise the best regular season in all of sports.





it wouldn't ruin anything.

conference champion won it's conference and has the right to move on.

period.

Posted by cajunbama
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:24 pm to
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Then what is the point of a conference champion? If it shouldn't be taken into consideration then why make the division winners play an extra game






If Auburn wins the SECC the first 2 loss team is in the playoff. Sounds like you are still a damn sore loser over 2011 to me.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:33 pm to
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^ read above posts. If we were cool with 5 loss teams competing for championships, it would ruin what is otherwise the best regular season in all of sports.



this obsession college football fans have with losses on the record is antiquated and needs to be put down.

who gives a shite if a conference champion has 5 losses, they won their conference, its literally why they have a conference championship game, to determine the best in the conference.

you win your conference you move on.

done.

this ideology that it would frick up college footballs "incredible regular season" needs to die.

Underdogs win all the time in sports.

if a team wins their conference but we still go back and say "wait a minute, they won the conference but that one loss team might be better still" all we are doing is destroying the point of a conference title game. You don't need to go back and look at anything. What is the point?
Posted by ZeusStamos
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:36 pm to
There's difference between being an underdog and being a 7-5 team in the worst division in the power five who gets extremely lucky and doesn't deserve to be there. You're right, every other sport makes it possible for a mediocre type team to make it into the playoffs and compete for championships. The fact that CFB doesn't makes it unique and, quite frankly, the best sport in the world.
Posted by AU4real35
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:37 pm to
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If you get into a championship game scenario where a key player gets hurt, and a huge upset ensues,


Seems familiar.
Posted by bogeypro
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:42 am to
Ever wonder why we don't have these stupid threads about the NFL..... We need to have 8 teams. power 5 conference champions and 3 at large (or wild cards, if you want).

6 teams won't work because the second week would only have 3 teams.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 12:56 am
Posted by AshLSU
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:11 am to
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Maybe to you because you can't appreciate the effort and preparation that goes into earning a banner that will always have a special place at the school and stadium. Maybe you are one of the fatass couch QBs that has never played a minute of competitive sport.


It's already been established that a 7 and 5 team could win a conference championship. You really think that makes them The better team? No, it just means they got lucky in one game and played in a shitty conference. But I guess you are just too stupid to realize that.

Nobody remembers who won conference championships anymore. They are pointless exhibition games at best just like all the bowl games outside of the playoffs.
Posted by ZeusStamos
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:45 am to
Conference championships definitely matter to some degree. If the game ever becomes a situation where you are only successful if you win the NC, that would be horrible. Think of it his way, if it is NC or bust then LSU has only been successful 3 times in 120 years of football. Teams that win SEC Championships as well as major bowl games should be remembered.
Posted by ZeusStamos
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:45 am to
Dude, in a 6 team playoff the the top two teams would get byes in the first round. You bama people are a special kind of stupid.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 6:21 am to
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Then what is the point of a conference champion?

Duh. The point of CCGs is to crown conference champs. CCGs are needed because conferences have so many teams now.

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If it shouldn't be taken into consideration then why make the division winners play an extra game that could potentially keep them out of the playoff?

The CGGs are considered by the committee. Winning an "extra game" against a likely highly ranked opponent can be the key win that ultimately gets a team into the final four. UGA this year is a good example of that. Likewise, Wisconsin would've most likely gotten "in" (instead of UA) if they'd beaten OSU.

OP's point is valid. It's not all that unlikely to have a 8-4 conf champ. Nor is it unlikely for 2 of the 4 best teams to be in one conference division.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 8:34 am
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 7:37 am to
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Then what is the point of a conference champion?


To win your conference?

Crazy idea, I know - but collegiate conferences are not the same as NFL divisions. They do not exist solely to provide a means to the national championship.

I mean, you still get this:



Logically, if it served no purpose, there would be no award.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 7:39 am to
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There is your 16 team playoff scenario everyone talks about.


That's only 10 teams.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 7:41 am to
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If Auburn had beaten LSU


Twofold, actually

Losing to LSU, but then playing Mercer like they didn't care and looking like shite against a lower division team didn't help. Those two put Auburn so far behind, and yet they came incredibly close to making up for them.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 8:12 am to
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who gives a shite if a conference champion has 5 losses, they won their conference, its literally why they have a conference championship game, to determine the best in the conference.



So, you honestly believe a 5 loss team would be the best team in a conference? Because that is what you said.....and pretty much what his point was. Flukes happen, and the purpose of the playoff is to get the best teams in, not get a conference champion fluke in.

Posted by schmoo
marietta ga
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 8:18 am to
the primary criteria for getting in the playoff is to be one of the 4 best teams. That's why we have them selected by a committee, integrity, football knowledge is the main criteria for their membership. People keep trying to make it like the NFL with all their rules, but it still boils down to the 4 best teams.
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