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re: This is why conference champions should never automatically get a bid into the playoff.

Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:53 pm to
Posted by 0
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:53 pm to
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Committee has explained what the conference championship is used for when evaluating teams.




And that explanation will change yearly based on the agenda it serves.
Posted by Volodya
Member since Nov 2017
281 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:53 pm to
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You lost 3 games. That is why you aren’t in the playoffs.


That's what happens when your best win isn't Miss St.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:55 pm to
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There are 10 teams in the P5 championship games and only 5 winners.

Of those winners, pick the best 4 to play in the CFP.



Ok. I misunderstood you, then. Here is yoru quote:
The best 4 teams of the P5 championship games should be in the CFP and that will settle it...simple.

You said the four best teams of the P5 championship games. You didn't say winners. And I could agree with what i thought you said, and to a degree what you actually said. I wasn't necessarily arguing against your idea.

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There is almost no chance of having multiple 3 loss teams win those games.

ZeusStamos' point was that it has already happened when a 5 loss team won their conference in the championship game with an upset.
Posted by ZeusStamos
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
1567 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:55 pm to
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hat only happened because 12-0 Ohio State was on probation


So? Did a 7-5 Wisconsin team not win the Big Ten? They did. And if that one day becomes an automatic ticket into the playoffs, they would be in.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
Member since Mar 2010
5181 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:57 pm to
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Don't expect you to complain but at least recognize y'all get a red carpet to the playoffs every year.


The first three years of the playoff Bama was a 0 or 1 loss SEC champion. How exactly is that a red carpet to the playoff every year? Oh and a one loss SEC champion made the playoff again this year.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26962 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:59 pm to
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If it shouldn't be taken into consideration...


Did the OP say that it shouldn't be taken into consideration?

No.

Why don't people read and then stick to the original point?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:00 pm to
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Oh and a one loss SEC champion made the playoff again this year.


Posted by Volodya
Member since Nov 2017
281 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:00 pm to
I think CC critics feel that winning your conference shouldn't automatically get you in but the fact that losing it automatically gets you eliminated is a problem. How do you penalize a team for losing a game that another team was not good enough to be in then reward the other team. As an Aubie, I'm not arguing that auburn should be in the playoff. We had a few good wins but shite the bed a few times, most recently when it mattered most. What I'm arguing is that a team that starts out championship weekend on the couch and ends it in the playoffs based on the results is bull shite. Do away with the games.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:02 pm to
Or when you get completely shutdown by Clemson or blow a 20 point lead against LSU.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted by ColoBama
The Kayng of College Fusball, CO
Member since Dec 2016
7433 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:02 pm to
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Then what is the point of a conference champion?


It's to settle who is the champion of a conference not necessarily the best team. Simple so that you idiots can understand it.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
Member since Mar 2010
5181 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:02 pm to
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So in the end Wisconsin was hurt for having a better resume but playing an extra game


Who exactly do you think Wisconsin could beat among the other three playoff teams?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26962 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:03 pm to
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So in the end Wisconsin was hurt for having a better resume...


at the notion that Wisconsin had a better resume.

Division winner? Yeah...in a division that Jim Delaney and the B1G intentionally set up to be a division full of cupcakes so the East winner would have a cakewalk in the B1GCG.

Wisconsin's schedule was shite, even compared to Alabama's.

This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted by ZeusStamos
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
1567 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:04 pm to
You're right about it sucking that Bama got in by sitting on the couch. But ultimately, I truly believe that if Auburn had beaten LSU, they would be in the playoff despite losing to UGA in the SECCG with an 11-2 record.
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
Member since Sep 2013
8435 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:09 pm to
Yes, the winners...I implied it should have said explicitly
Posted by Volodya
Member since Nov 2017
281 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:09 pm to
Would be a very interesting resume to let the committee evaluate that's for sure. We still haven't seen a conference championship loser get in so I remain skeptical.
Posted by ZeusStamos
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
1567 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:13 pm to
If you take away the LSU loss, then Auburn would be penalized ONLY for playing in the championship game. Auburn would have the victory over Bama head to head, an identical record heading into the championship game, and they obviously played a harder schedule. I think without the LSU loss Auburn definitely gets in.
Posted by ColoBama
The Kayng of College Fusball, CO
Member since Dec 2016
7433 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:18 pm to
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You're right about it sucking that Bama got in by sitting on the couch. But ultimately, I truly believe that if Auburn had beaten LSU, they would be in the playoff despite losing to UGA in the SECCG with an 11-2 record.



Agreed. Bama had 11 wins and Auburn only 10. Otherwise, I'd say Auburn must get the nod but doesn't matter now unfortunately for them.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:22 pm to
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Who exactly do you think Wisconsin could beat among the other three playoff teams?




I was praying it would be:

Georgia
TCU
Miami
Wisconsin
in the playoffs!
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:23 pm to
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Yes, the winners...I implied it should have said explicitly


I thought it was a good idea either way! My bad for misunderstanding!
Posted by ColoBama
The Kayng of College Fusball, CO
Member since Dec 2016
7433 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:24 pm to
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The same it has always been? To name a conference champion. Do you really think that a 5 loss Wisconsin team would deserve to be in the playoffs, while a one loss Alabama be left out?



It's called Bama hate. Sorry, I mean "selective bias" ... I'll bet this person did not complain when Ohio State got in last year.
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