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re: This is why conference champions should never automatically get a bid into the playoff.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:27 pm to Volodya
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:27 pm to Volodya
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Cancel conference championships then. Only puts money in people's pockets. fricked auburn this year, but it will frick someone else in the future.
I'd be willing to go along with this. Even then, Auburn would still have 2 losses and one less win. Bama still would have gotten in.
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:31 pm to Volodya
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Cancel conference championships then. Only puts money in people's pockets. fricked auburn this year, but it will frick someone else in the future.
and next year maybe it helps you
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:32 pm to ColoBama
But damnit I would feel better about it hahaha.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:34 pm to StopRobot
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and next year maybe it helps you
Auburn's schedule will never set up for the CC to help us.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:50 pm to 0
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Then what is the point of a conference champion? If it shouldn't be taken into consideration then why make the division winners play an extra game that could potentially keep them out of the playoff?
This^^^
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:53 pm to DawgsLife
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The same it has always been? To name a conference champion
Meaningless title.
To reverse the OP scenario.
What if an undefeated, totally dominating team plays in the conference championship game and gets a few key players injured playing against a 7 and 5 team? Then they go on to lose in the first round of the playoffs. How was playing that extra game good for that team?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:54 pm to AshLSU
I never said it shouldn't be taken into consideration. Let me be more clear. There has been a lot of talk on tRant about giving conference champions of the power 5 conferences an automatic bid into the playoff should the playoff expand to 6 or 8 teams. Although I believe that conference championships should be factored into the decision, it should not be an automatic ticker, regardless of how big the playoff gets. Look to my original post for additional reasoning.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:56 pm to ColoBama
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be willing to go along with this. Even then, Auburn would still have 2 losses and one less win. Bama still would have gotten in.
No they wouldn't have. The top 4 teams go to the playoffs. Prior to the conference championship games, Bama was #5. They would have been left out and Clemson, Oklahoma, Auburn, and Wisconsin would have been the playoff teams.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:56 pm to AshLSU
Yup. this guy gets it
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:57 pm to Jake_LaMotta
And then beat Alabama like a rented mule? LOL
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:58 pm to AshLSU
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What if an undefeated, totally dominating team plays in the conference championship game and gets a few key players injured playing against a 7 and 5 team? Then they go on to lose in the first round of the playoffs. How was playing that extra game good for that team?
We are talking about two different things. Your post, as far as I understand, is meant to further the debate on whether or not conference championships should continue to exist. On the other hand, I am saying since they exist they should only be a metric that is considered when deciding which teams should get into the playoff. A conference champion should never get an automatic bid.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:59 pm to ZeusStamos
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I never said it shouldn't be taken into consideration. Let me be more clear. There has been a lot of talk on tRant about giving conference champions of the power 5 conferences an automatic bid into the playoff should the playoff expand to 6 or 8 teams. Although I believe that conference championships should be factored into the decision, it should not be an automatic ticker, regardless of how big the playoff gets. Look to my original post for additional reasoning.
That still doesn't account for the fact that the conference champion title is meaningless and could in fact be an injury risk to a team that is otherwise undefeated and a dominant team who, without the injuries, would most likely easily win the national championship.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:02 pm to AshLSU
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That still doesn't account for the fact that the conference champion title is meaningless and could in fact be an injury risk to a team that is otherwise undefeated and a dominant team who, without the injuries, would most likely easily win the national championship.
Again, if you want to debate whether or not conference championship games should exist and/or whether or not they have meaning, you should start your own thread about it. That's not what my thread is about. Assuming that conference championship games are not going anywhere, I am saying that they should never be a decisive metric in determining which teams make the playoff.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:16 pm to 0
It should be about getting the "best" four terms in the tournament. Some no doubt will be conference champions but being a conference champion should never be an automatic ticket-punch to the tournament.
For two years in a row the big ten champ did not make the field of four. As a side note don't you think the big ten's dismal showing the last two years entered into the minds of the committee, of course they would deny it.
For two years in a row the big ten champ did not make the field of four. As a side note don't you think the big ten's dismal showing the last two years entered into the minds of the committee, of course they would deny it.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:18 pm to ZeusStamos
So do you think the NFL should do away with its play-off system where .500 teams get in?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:23 pm to AshLSU
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That still doesn't account for the fact that the conference champion title is meaningless and could in fact be an injury risk to a team that is otherwise undefeated and a dominant team who, without the injuries, would most likely easily win the national championship.
This opinion is what is fricking up college football.
Used to be winning your conference or even your division was the definition of a great season. Now for too many fans their opinion is that unless their team makes the playoffs their season was shite. But since there are only four spots that means only four programs had great seasons.
This is why coaches have crazy contracts with guaranteed money, they expectations have outstripped reality.
OP is completely right that the playoff should be seen as like final fours are in football, and not have anything to do with conference championships.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:24 pm to AUstar
If the NFL wanted its regular season to matter as much as the regular season matters in college football, yes, they should get rid of their current system. I think that one of the reasons college football is more fun to watch is because the regular season matters so much. Why else would anyone give a frick about Oklahoma randomly getting beat by Iowa st.? At the time everyone thought that Oklahoma was done. It wasn't until other teams lost regular season games that they crept back into it. It literally has the whole country tuning in to watch otherwise meaningless games. That's what is so great about college football.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:31 pm to ZeusStamos
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There is no way in hell that a four or five loss team should ever compete for a national championship.
happens all the time in sports.
what makes college football any different?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:33 pm to CBandits82
^ read above posts. If we were cool with 5 loss teams competing for championships, it would ruin what is otherwise the best regular season in all of sports.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:35 pm to ZeusStamos
Seasons like this will pave the way for a more developed playoff. I don't know what the future will hold for conference championship games in 10-15 years. In Mike Leach presser he spoke on the subject a few weeks ago. though it was humorous its absolutely truth.
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