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re: Texas is a southern (mostly) state. Oklahoma is not.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
gotcha. the state is a PERFECT fit for the SEC. In whatever iteration you see the state as. 
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:45 am to OKBoomerSooner
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Texas I'm way less sure about. There's plenty of salt of the Earth Texas people who will fit right in. There's also a lot of real snooty wussies who belong with the whiners in the B1G or Pac-12. Not really clear which group we'll get. Hopefully the SEC selects for the good ones.
Yep, agree, that's the question. The Texas alumni base certainly seems to have a portion of it that is a cross between UNC/UVA and Cal/UCLA. The elite snobbery of UVA/Carolina with the academic leftism of Berkeley and Co.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:48 am to tylerdurden24
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I wouldn’t classify West Va as a southern state
W.Va, especially the southern 3rd of it, is definitely southern. Anything south of Summersville is definitely the South.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:49 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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W.Va, especially the southern 3rd of it, is definitely southern. Anything south of Summersville is definitely the South.
But that again goes to Appalachia vs Southern, which is filled with shades of grey depending on your definition.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:49 am to CharlotteSooner
I don't get the whole southwestern thing when it references TX, OK, AR... they look pretty centrally southern to me. Unless I'm retarded. 
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 11:50 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Western PA
Western PA native here.
Western PA(anything west of the Alleghenies) is the Midwest. Pittsburgh is a Midwestern town from the culture to the climate.
And quick fact: Pittsburgh is the largest city in Appalachia.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:56 am to jlovel7
Texas is Texas. Big enough that it is unique in it's own way. You kind of have to split it up if you want to see where the state belongs.
Piney woods east Texas and the greater Houston area are more like the South Eastern states. Your Tyler/Longview/Beaumont/Hunstville/College Station areas.
Dallas and it's northern burbs are an island all their own. Kind of southern but not as nice (personality wise) and kind of arrogant.
Fort Worth is "where the west begins". Go down south to the hunting towns west of waco, and then out towards el paso and up. That's west Texas/Panhandle and a lot of good agrarian folks that like all types or farms. Veggies, grains, wind. You name it.
The peoples republic of Austin is all its own. Much more like the southern 2/3rds California than anything else in Texas. Sure, plenty of good southern folks live there and the surrounding areas, but a ton of crazy tree huggers as well.
Then you get San Antonio and the border area that are all lumped together. Great food. Great hard working people. Lots of fun to be had there, but probably wouldn't think of themselves as "southerners"
Piney woods east Texas and the greater Houston area are more like the South Eastern states. Your Tyler/Longview/Beaumont/Hunstville/College Station areas.
Dallas and it's northern burbs are an island all their own. Kind of southern but not as nice (personality wise) and kind of arrogant.
Fort Worth is "where the west begins". Go down south to the hunting towns west of waco, and then out towards el paso and up. That's west Texas/Panhandle and a lot of good agrarian folks that like all types or farms. Veggies, grains, wind. You name it.
The peoples republic of Austin is all its own. Much more like the southern 2/3rds California than anything else in Texas. Sure, plenty of good southern folks live there and the surrounding areas, but a ton of crazy tree huggers as well.
Then you get San Antonio and the border area that are all lumped together. Great food. Great hard working people. Lots of fun to be had there, but probably wouldn't think of themselves as "southerners"
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:58 am to SummerOfGeorge
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But that again goes to Appalachia vs Southern, which is filled with shades of grey depending on your definition.
Fair. But also remember that Appalachia stretches all the way up to upstate NY. I saw that firsthand in June of '19 when we went to upstate NY for vacation. It's as much Deliverance as NE GA.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:59 am to jlovel7
Oklahoma is more southern than Missouri
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:03 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Fair. But also remember that Appalachia stretches all the way up to upstate NY. I saw that firsthand in June of '19 when we went to upstate NY for vacation. It's as much Deliverance as NE GA.
Absolutely - which is why Appalachia is kind of it's own thing, while shaded by Southern/Midwestern/etc.
Like you noted, North Georgia and Western New York share a whole lot of similarities. They don't talk the same, but they all come from a lot of the same German/Irish/Scottish families. One just turned South once that got into Western PA and one turned North.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Appalachian and Acadian/Creole are about on level for me as being a gradient upon which you have southern on one end and decidedly not southern on the other. It really depends on your up bringing and where you are within a state. Like Florida, you can draw lines within states and to make a case for what is and isn’t Southern but it’s harder to do with Appalachia. Hell, you can probably take a single town in West Va and classify half its population as Southern and the other as Midwestern country (which is why I tend to just not consider West Va as Southern; it’s close but not all the way).
And as referenced elsewhere, you can also parse out South vs Deep South. For example, a case can be made for many parts of VA being Southern but Deep South it is not.
My biggest issue is the conflation of someone who lives a country lifestyle as also being Southern. Southern incorporates way more than just country lifestyles and drawls. There are country folks in Wyoming but I don’t think they’d agree to be identified as Southern.
And as referenced elsewhere, you can also parse out South vs Deep South. For example, a case can be made for many parts of VA being Southern but Deep South it is not.
My biggest issue is the conflation of someone who lives a country lifestyle as also being Southern. Southern incorporates way more than just country lifestyles and drawls. There are country folks in Wyoming but I don’t think they’d agree to be identified as Southern.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:08 pm to tylerdurden24
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Appalachian and Acadian/Creole are about on level for me as being a gradient upon which you have southern on one end and decidedly not southern on the other. It really depends on your up bringing and where you are within a state. Like Florida, you can draw lines within states and to make a case for what is and isn’t Southern but it’s harder to do with Appalachia. Hell, you can probably take a single town in West Va and classify half its population as Southern and the other as Midwestern country (which is why I tend to just not consider West Va as Southern; it’s close but not all the way).
And as referenced elsewhere, you can also parse out South vs Deep South. For example, a case can be made for many parts of VA being Southern but Deep South it is not.
My biggest issue is the conflation of someone who lives a country lifestyle as also being Southern. Southern incorporates way more than just country lifestyles and drawls. There are country folks in Wyoming but I don’t think they’d agree to be identified as Southern.
100% agree with all of that
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:08 pm to tylerdurden24
People connect where they are from as Southern.
Always been weird to me because the South is a pretty diverse place. So someone from Mississippi might feel more at home in Texas than let’s say someone from South Carolina.
People put too much thought in it and definitely are too self centered about it IMO
Always been weird to me because the South is a pretty diverse place. So someone from Mississippi might feel more at home in Texas than let’s say someone from South Carolina.
People put too much thought in it and definitely are too self centered about it IMO
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:09 pm to jlovel7
Texas may be somewhat southern, but texas university is as yankee as they get.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:10 pm to JustAnotherName
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People connect where they are from as Southern.
Always been weird to me because the South is a pretty diverse place. So someone from Mississippi might feel more at home in Texas than let’s say someone from South Carolina.
People put too much thought in it and definitely are too self centered about it IMO
100% agree with this too
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:11 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Fair. But also remember that Appalachia stretches all the way up to upstate NY. I saw that firsthand in June of '19 when we went to upstate NY for vacation. It's as much Deliverance as NE GA.
Lol no.
Sure, geographically it’s all “Appalachia” but they’re all yankees up there. White trash is ubiquitous throughout rural America, but culturally Southern Appalachia is its own thing. Hillbilly culture in Southern Appalachia is markedly different and always has been.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:15 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Texas may be somewhat southern, but texas university is as yankee as they get.
If the students come from the same high schools and usually live near each other after graduation how does that occur.
You are trying way too hard here.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:15 pm to Robert Goulet
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culturally Southern Appalachia is its own thing. Hillbilly culture in Southern Appalachia is markedly different and always has been.
Also agree
Damm, most agreein I've done on one page of a Rant thread in ages.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:17 pm to jlovel7
Posted on 7/26/21 at 12:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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We moved into the business of having states that are part Southern and part not when we added Mizzou and Aggie (not to mention already having Florida).
Mizzou is quickly becoming more southern as Florida, Texas, Georgia and Tennessee slowly turn Yankee. FACT.
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