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re: Texas is a southern (mostly) state. Oklahoma is not.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:15 am to tylerdurden24
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:15 am to tylerdurden24
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Don’t forget the Cherokee and Creek who were forced to move out there.
Yea, I lumped them into the "why they are different".
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Still, it’s no more Southern than Maryland is the South (it has history but It’s not the South)
Agreed - though I think a similar argument could be made for parts of Kentucky, Florida and even Northeastern Tennessee depending on what your definition of Southern is. Obviously anything south of Ocala in Florida is not Southern by almost any definition, culturally. Parts of Northern Kentucky feel very Ohio/Indiana. And then Appalachia is its own thing.
But yea, we stretched the bounds of truly being a conference of the Southeast when we brought in A&M/Missouri. I don't think this really does much more than that did. Missouri and Oklahoma are probably pretty comparable in terms of "Southern-ess". My breaking point was/is going to be when we bring someone in who there is no argument whatsoever that can be made to why they still fit. "WVU to the BXII" or "Maryland to the B10" type addition.
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:16 am to tylerdurden24
Them rappers in Houston be puttin it down for Da Souf
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:17 am to Contra
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Texas was settled by a bunch of southerners.
Sort of.
Of those settlers who came from the US to Texas, the states indicated on that map were the places from where many came.
But Texas was settled by Spanish missionaries, other Europeans (French and Germans), and overwhelmingly—Mexicans.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:18 am to Jobu93
Texas was in the Confederacy.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:20 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Agreed - though I think a similar argument could be made for parts of Kentucky, Florida and even Northeastern Tennessee depending on what your definition of Southern is.
Kentucky I give a pass for horse racing and bourbon (the whole Appalachian vs Southern thing has a lot of nuance to it as I wouldn’t classify West Va as a southern state despite a lot of commonality with Eastern Ky and Northeatesrn TN; difficult at times to draw a line in that regard).
Florida is actually pretty easy to distinguish: draw a line from Daytona Beach directly West. Everything north of that line is the South (Gainesville, Ocala, Jax, panhandle, etc), everything south of that line is more Northern/Miami/Latino/European
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:20 am to All Gas No Brakes
Oklahoma’s nickname is “Little Dixie”
My goodness, that is ignorant. OU does not have professors and assistants performing a history of racial statutes on their campus, like the other school you represent.
I realize you paid a little over 1M for a consultant to say your fight song is not racist in origin. But, you would have to pay 5 million to a consultant to say it was not blantently filled with chauvinism and putting a female in her place with dianah won't you blow your horn.
My goodness, that is ignorant. OU does not have professors and assistants performing a history of racial statutes on their campus, like the other school you represent.
I realize you paid a little over 1M for a consultant to say your fight song is not racist in origin. But, you would have to pay 5 million to a consultant to say it was not blantently filled with chauvinism and putting a female in her place with dianah won't you blow your horn.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:21 am to Trojan1998
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Texas was in the Confederacy.
And?
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:23 am to TbirdSpur2010
East Texas is very Southern culturally. I’ve been there many times and my best friend from high school is in Tyler. Texas is most definitely in the South.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:25 am to Trojan1998
Texas and Oklahoma (along with A&M) will "feel" like they belong in the league culturally, I think. There is enough overlap culturally and their states are contiguous with the footprint.
I could end up totally wrong, just my general thought as of now.
I could end up totally wrong, just my general thought as of now.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:27 am to jlovel7
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:29 am to TouchDownSEC
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They have the same opinion of SEC schools that The B1G does.
Yep - UVA and UNC have absolutely zero desire to join the SEC. None. If the ACC blows up they're going to the B1G before the hat hits the floor.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:32 am to EKG
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Sort of.
Of those settlers who came from the US to Texas, the states indicated on that map were the places from where many came.
But Texas was settled by Spanish missionaries, other Europeans (French and Germans), and overwhelmingly—Mexicans.
True it was settled by others as well, like Louisiana. The accents are a dead giveaway it has a strong Southern influence. The history of its voting patterns are too.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:34 am to Contra
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True it was settled by others as well, like Louisiana. The accents are a dead giveaway it has a strong Southern influence. The history of its voting patterns are too.
Texas truly is it's own thing because of the melting pot of various settling cultures and diversity of geography.
It has Deep South, Appalachian, Midwestern/German, Spanish and Native Mexican all combined throughout the state. But, because a large chunk of that is either directly Southern or culturally the same groups that settled large parts of the South, there are a whole lot of cultural similarities.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:34 am to Ancient Astronaut
For the record, Kentucky was the neutral state until General Polk was a dumbass and invaded. At that point, the legislature called for federal troops to get his arse out and Kentucky officially joined the Union.
Both presidents were originally from Kentucky but Abe was wise enough to stay the hell out when it mattered. “I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky.”
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:34 am to jlovel7
I think it’s quite a stretch to consider Texas and Oklahoma southern. But that doesn’t really matter because if Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC it will be for the same reason as everything else: money. No one with a dollar to make in this move gives a shite about culture and geography.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:39 am to Globetrotter747
They are southern, they are just not deep south southern. Lynard Skynyrd (Sweet home Alabama) or Doobie Brothers (Black Water) southern. Louisiana is not that type of southerner culturally, we are much more creole/country Acadian, but we are still considered southern culturally.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 11:40 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
You are wrong, unfortunately. Oklahoma will fit but Texas simply will not. That university is about as left as they come. They fit sports wise. No problem with that. Culturally and down to their ethos- they are simply no match. Not good or bad, but you are trying to place a square peg in a round hole regarding that school's culture and how they see themselves.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:39 am to jlovel7
People who don't spend time in Oklahoma really shouldn't open their mouths. 
Oklahoma is a crossroads state similar to Texas. It's Texas's upside-down ball cap. The eastern half of the state is a lot like Arkansas and Tennessee in terms of climate and has plenty of Dixie influence, like East Texas. The further west you go, the more Great Plains / Western it gets, sure. But pretending like there's no Dixie in it is such obvious nonsense that it could only have been said by someone who has never been here.
Oklahoma is a crossroads state similar to Texas. It's Texas's upside-down ball cap. The eastern half of the state is a lot like Arkansas and Tennessee in terms of climate and has plenty of Dixie influence, like East Texas. The further west you go, the more Great Plains / Western it gets, sure. But pretending like there's no Dixie in it is such obvious nonsense that it could only have been said by someone who has never been here.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:41 am to Jobu93
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You are wrong, unfortunately. Oklahoma will fit but Texas simply will not. That university is about as left as they come. They fit sports wise. No problem with that. Culturally and down to their ethos- they are simply no match. Not good or bad, but you are trying to place a square peg in a round hole regarding that school's culture and how they see themselves.
I'm really not talking the University. I'm talking the general fanbase and culture around the states and regions the schools are in.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
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exas and Oklahoma (along with A&M) will "feel" like they belong in the league culturally, I think. There is enough overlap culturally and their states are contiguous with the footprint.
I could end up totally wrong, just my general thought as of now.
Aside from OU people being pansies who are in for a massive culture shock when they see what a real knuckle-dragging conference is like, I agree with respect to Oklahoma. They have the Southern sensibilities people will like - hospitality and passion about their football - they're just pussified because they've been in a soft league for decades.
Texas I'm way less sure about. There's plenty of salt of the Earth Texas people who will fit right in. There's also a lot of real snooty wussies who belong with the whiners in the B1G or Pac-12. Not really clear which group we'll get. Hopefully the SEC selects for the good ones.
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