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re: Source - Cochran felt outside sources kept him from going to Ole Miss; sick of Saban

Posted on 3/5/20 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 1:53 pm to
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why you shite on someone that gave you an opportunity and paid you well for 14 years


How is Cochran shitting on Bama?



Shitting on Saban. Hinting at someone blocking him at Ole Miss and then saying the Saban told him to sit in on SS practice to get experience, when he had already done that. Anyone with any class would have just said, I took the job for an opportunity to get on the field and at this time Saban didn't have a position open for him. He is trying to be the victim is this situation and it will backfire on him. And I am saying that as not a real big fan of Saban's personality.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:00 pm to
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I think Cochran could have felt like he was being held back to keep him in S&C despite his career ambitions


I’ve seen this in my career in IT a bunch, “too valuable to promote”.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:06 pm to
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This paragraph puts Cochran in a REALLY bad light.

Hell, I work in IT and I've been in IT for decades. That doesn't mean my boss is obligated to give me a job writing code when I've been doing network engineering and server administration my entire life. He would, understandably, insist that I learn how to do it first. From people who know how.


REALLY is probably overstating it, but it was the one section of the article that I keyed in on that put some of the onus back on Cochran. It's tough to know what his involvement is/was/has been. I've seen numerous reports that say he was responsible for running the S/T Scout Team? I have no idea how that meshes with on-field coaching limits, etc... but if it's even close to accurate, it's a little disingenuous to liken it to zero experience in that particular arena.

I think everyone in general is wanting to make the whole situation more than it really is. The guy wanted to do something different. Saban wasn't prepared to allow him to OTJ learn it. Kirby felt that maybe he could do it, and I'm not confident there was a significantly better ST coach available... Kirby has made it clear that he's willing to take chances on a coach he has faith in, but he's also willing to keep them on a short leash (see: Coley) and pull the plug on the experiment if needed.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:07 pm to
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I’ve seen this in my career in IT a bunch, “too valuable to promote”.


THIS...
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:07 pm to
This was my biggest takeaway from the story:

quote:

Alabama hasn’t been shy about pointing out it’ll be pivoting to a more scientific approach to strength and conditioning that could help cut down on injuries after dealing with a rash of injuries over the last two seasons.


This has to be one of Alabama’s biggest goals for the strength and conditioning program.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American dissident
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:08 pm to
it's a bad hire


It would be a bad hire if he'd been hired for special teams coordinator at Birmingham Southern or West Georgia College


he's never coached actual football
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:09 pm to
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Shitting on Saban. Hinting at someone blocking him at Ole Miss and then saying the Saban told him to sit in on SS practice to get experience, when he had already done that. Anyone with any class would have just said, I took the job for an opportunity to get on the field and at this time Saban didn't have a position open for him. He is trying to be the victim is this situation and it will backfire on him. And I am saying that as not a real big fan of Saban's personality.


Facts dont have feelings.

Saying that Saban wouldnt pull the trigger on a special teams position is not shitting on saban.

Saying that Saban suggested more time in the meeting room is not shitting on saban
Posted by AU4real35
Member since Jan 2014
16065 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:13 pm to
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riding Cochran mercilessly in front of staff."


This isn’t surprising, saban is full of little man syndrome.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:20 pm to
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Another low I.Q. Willie fan.....

You hurt my feelings.










On a side note, how long have you lived in Manhattan Beach? After college I lived in Torrance (couldn't afford to live on the beach) for a year and we would always go over to Manhattan Beach. There used to be an Irish Bar by the pier that we went to a lot. Not sure if it's still there, but I would go with a bunch of friends that were Rugby players, so it was always a wild time.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:50 pm to
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Saying that Saban wouldnt pull the trigger on a special teams position is not shitting on saban. Saying that Saban suggested more time in the meeting room is not shitting on saban


Yes it is, it is trying to say that Saban was misleading him to stay in his job by dangling future employment if he got exposure he claimed he already had. Someone also hinted about Saban's behavior in the meetings toward SC.

Then trying to hint that someone tried to kill the move to Ole Miss.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58913 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:56 pm to
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So Saban was sick of his production numbers and injuries?

But, apparently still wanted him at Alabama...so he wasn't sick of him at all.

“Saban really wanting him out is so not true,” one source said. “At all.”

Why do Alabama fans have to spin everything. just wish him well and move on. I mean, you guys keep insisting he was pushed out, yet none of you said a thing about it before he left. Once he made it known he was leaving, all you Bammers are out in force insisting Saban pushed him out.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:00 pm to
The major injuries that some of the Bama players suffered couldn't have been prevented with S&C. It can make a difference with minor injuries like pulled hamstrings, quad pulls and even some shoulder injuries, but not knee or dislocated hips.
Posted by secuniversity
Member since May 2015
5682 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:12 pm to
Beginning to think REC and Saban people are the sources. Terrible terrible look for Cochran.

May find it difficult to find a coaching position anywhere outside Kirby. Even as a S&C coach.
His S&C program went down as he became disinterested. And Kiffin didn't even want him on-field. And he was unwilling to learn or participate in coaches' meetings.

Don't cross Saban.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:18 pm to
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I think everyone in general is wanting to make the whole situation more than it really is. The guy wanted to do something different. Saban wasn't prepared to allow him to OTJ learn it. Kirby felt that maybe he could do it, and I'm not confident there was a significantly better ST coach available... Kirby has made it clear that he's willing to take chances on a coach he has faith in, but he's also willing to keep them on a short leash (see: Coley) and pull the plug on the experiment if needed.


Exactly. This is such a soap opera. Both guys got what they wanted (Cochran on field, Saban an easy way to hire guys for his new vision without dealing with moving Cochran up or hoping he got excited about changes).

People just want problems so badly between Georgia/Alabama and Saban/Kirby they're willing to blow anything up into a 4 alarm fire.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted by mbogo
Member since Oct 2012
2543 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:21 pm to
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Could you please just give it a rest. You're trolling every single Bama thread is stale. Get a life and quit shitting in every single thread.



That is his life and it is intersting to see what Bama success does to those who are not emotionally equipped to handle it.
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
20354 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:23 pm to
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Sounds like both parties were ready for a change.


So, you got that conclusion from an article that also said

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“Saban really wanting him out is so not true,” one source said. “At all.”

Posted by iHatecowbells
Southaven MS
Member since Sep 2018
549 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:23 pm to
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Cochran felt outside sources


Smells like Jimmy
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:26 pm to
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So, you got that conclusion from an article that also said



There was also the part that said:

"It was part of growing friction between Saban and Cochran that seemed to come to a head around that point."

As well as:

"Saban, meanwhile, had concerns about numbers and results from a strength and conditioning standpoint and wanted tweaks made to the program."
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:27 pm to
I don't think Saban "really wanted him out" either.

I do think that Cochran making it clear he wanted to do something else was not exactly the situation Saban wanted as he looked to shift the philosophy of the S&C program led by the S&C coach who would be doing something different than he'd done before.

Did he want him gone? No. Was the situation ideal? No.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 3:28 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22664 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:33 pm to
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Beginning to think REC and Saban people are the sources. Terrible terrible look for Cochran.

May find it difficult to find a coaching position anywhere outside Kirby. Even as a S&C coach.
His S&C program went down as he became disinterested. And Kiffin didn't even want him on-field. And he was unwilling to learn or participate in coaches' meetings.

Don't cross Saban.


Based on the article, nobody else would give him a job other than Kirby to start with.

And based on the teams mentioned, he had already went looking with people he already had a relationship with already while they were at Alabama.

So his options seemed pretty limited already. But with Kirby he landed himself a pretty sweet deal.
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