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Posted on 8/3/26 at 10:02 am to Diamondawg
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Yes - the suit was filed in federal district court.
To be fair, courts don't make laws. They make rulings based on interpretation of law. It is most certainly a state law if a law at all and not some guidance or direction from the state
Posted on 8/3/26 at 10:34 am to Lgrnwd
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16.) Ole Miss
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11.) LSU
Take THAT, Playoff Pete!
Posted on 8/3/26 at 10:36 am to Che Boludo
Yeah federal law would mean any public school in any state has to accept everyone. That’s obviously not the case.
U of Texas has the “top 10% rule” by state law which definitely pulls down average test scores.
U of Texas has the “top 10% rule” by state law which definitely pulls down average test scores.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:27 am to parrothead
Having double majored in finance and accounting I wonder why you would assume that. Auburn as far as accounting goes isn’t any swift breeze.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:31 am to Lgrnwd
Ole Miss lets anyone in, but they don't graduate anyone. At least back in the day, anecdotally, so many people failed out or had to transfer. My niece is there now and says it's like that still. Tons of kids get in and just party themselves into failing and/or transferring.
School doesn't care because they get 1-2 years of tuition money.
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They also let you drag out undergrad like nobody's business as long as you aren't failing out. It's a tuition grab. 6 years? Bring it on.
They also gave two "Freshman forgivenesses" i.e. two classes you can just retake and the first grade you got in them doesn't go on the record. I'm sure for lots of kids, this just postponed the inevitable fail out and gave Ole Miss more tuition money yet again.
School doesn't care because they get 1-2 years of tuition money.
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They also let you drag out undergrad like nobody's business as long as you aren't failing out. It's a tuition grab. 6 years? Bring it on.
They also gave two "Freshman forgivenesses" i.e. two classes you can just retake and the first grade you got in them doesn't go on the record. I'm sure for lots of kids, this just postponed the inevitable fail out and gave Ole Miss more tuition money yet again.
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:02 pm to Che Boludo
quote:So violating the Equal Protection clause sounds pretty federal to me:
To be fair, courts don't make laws. They make rulings based on interpretation of law. It is most certainly a state law if a law at all and not some guidance or direction from the state
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The Supreme Court ruled that the Equal Protection Clause and Title VI required Mississippi to abolish any policy or practice that could be traced to de jure segregation, that continued to promote segregation, and that could be eliminated. Returning the case to district court, the Supreme Court made clear that the issue was eliminating effects of prior state-enforced segregation, not mandating equality among the state’s public institutions.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:13 pm to parrothead
quote:Can’t speak on Bama’s majors, but Auburn’s College of Architecture, Design & Construction was a great scholly/education.
I’d want my accountants and attorney out of Tuscaloosa and my vets and engineers/architects out of Auburn.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:17 pm to plazadweller
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Having double majored in finance and accounting I wonder why you would assume that. Auburn as far as accounting goes isn’t any swift breeze.
never said it was a swift breeze and i literally just said you can get a quality education at both. Bama traditionally speaking has a better business school, nothing more nothing less.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:19 pm to Bamzilla
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Welcome to the SEC.
Arkansas I get but Kentucky? Damn. I though even Ole Miss would be smarter. 
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:20 pm to BevoBucks
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Can’t speak on Bama’s majors, but Auburn’s College of Architecture, Design & Construction was a great scholly/education.
Agreed. I considered going to Auburn for graduate school so I could join their Rural Studio program started by Samuel Mockabee (deceased). They do some really cool stuff in the underserved, rural communities of Alabama.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:32 pm to AggieArchitect2004
Bama's business school is top notch. Loved going there. School of Communicaions was average.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:39 pm to Granola
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School of Communicaions was average.
Disagreed. It's actually one of the Universities strong point. PR Weekly named the PR program top 5 in the nation and has been that way since I was a student there over 20 years ago.
School of Library & Information Studies ranked #21
Journalism & Creative Media department ranked #25
Forensics / Speech & Debate has won 28 National championships
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:55 pm to Granola
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Bama's business school is top notch.
I hire MBA's out of school, and work with larger consulting firms a good bit, and Bama (Manderson) AND Auburn (Harbert) have put out some quality folks the last 5-7 years I've been involved in this part of my role.
They aren't the top tier MBA programs obviously, but sometimes you get the more well-rounded people out of those programs that bust their arse and don't expect massive salaries on day 1. Just hired Harbert grad a couple months ago and he's a beast.
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And when I say top tier I mean Wharton, Booth, Stanford, Kellogg, Fuqua, Darden, etc.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:06 pm to dcbl
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I always thought Alabama was a better school than Auburn.
they used to be, but not anymore - Auburn is a little more selective than Bama currently
Alabama offers better scholarships that Auburn does for the same grades/SAT/ACT scores
Auburn has been the better school since the 1970's at minimum by any objective metric. Dig as far back into the rankings as you like. Alabama briefly jumped ahead in the USN&WR rankings by gaming the system for a few years, then USN&WR changed the methodology to take that into account and they dropped back where they belong.
Here's a little secret they don't advertise: They let all their sub-part scoring students in as "provisional" freshmen the summer prior to their freshman year. That way, they don't count against their school averages for "incoming freshman class scores" or even selectivity. Alabama is not alone in playing this game, many schools do. Auburn does not.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:08 pm to Lgrnwd
Did not know that UTx and Florida would be that high. Jawja is high because Hope (lottery) scholarships have made it uber competitive to get in. Of course, we all knew that The Fightin' Diegos would be #1.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:11 pm to TheRealTigerHorn
Here's a little secret they don't advertise: They let all their sub-part scoring students in as "provisional" freshmen the summer prior to their freshman year. That way, they don't count against their school averages for "incoming freshman class scores" or even selectivity. Alabama is not alone in playing this game, many schools do. Auburn does not.
Do you have proof of this? I just checked GenAI and they say that is a myth
This is from GenAI
?? Key Takeaway
No, the University of Alabama (UA) does not admit lower-scoring students into summer terms as "provisional" freshmen to hide their test scores from incoming class averages. This is a common higher education myth. Under strict federal reporting and Common Data Set guidelines, all students who start in the summer and continue into the fall must be included in the official "first-time, first-year" fall freshman cohort data
.
?? How Freshman Cohort Reporting Actually Works
The theory that universities can "hide" lower academic profiles by admitting students in the summer rests on a misunderstanding of how university data is officially compiled and reported to publishers like U.S. News & World Report:
Do you have proof of this? I just checked GenAI and they say that is a myth
This is from GenAI
?? Key Takeaway
No, the University of Alabama (UA) does not admit lower-scoring students into summer terms as "provisional" freshmen to hide their test scores from incoming class averages. This is a common higher education myth. Under strict federal reporting and Common Data Set guidelines, all students who start in the summer and continue into the fall must be included in the official "first-time, first-year" fall freshman cohort data
.
?? How Freshman Cohort Reporting Actually Works
The theory that universities can "hide" lower academic profiles by admitting students in the summer rests on a misunderstanding of how university data is officially compiled and reported to publishers like U.S. News & World Report:
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:20 pm to Rocco Lampone
Florida is #2
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:36 pm to cdur86
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Here's a little secret they don't advertise: They let all their sub-part scoring students in as "provisional" freshmen the summer prior to their freshman year. That way, they don't count against their school averages for "incoming freshman class scores" or even selectivity. Alabama is not alone in playing this game, many schools do. Auburn does not.
Do you have proof of this? I just checked GenAI and they say that is a myth
This is from GenAI
?? Key Takeaway
No, the University of Alabama (UA) does not admit lower-scoring students into summer terms as "provisional" freshmen to hide their test scores from incoming class averages. This is a common higher education myth. Under strict federal reporting and Common Data Set guidelines, all students who start in the summer and continue into the fall must be included in the official "first-time, first-year" fall freshman cohort data
.
?? How Freshman Cohort Reporting Actually Works
The theory that universities can "hide" lower academic profiles by admitting students in the summer rests on a misunderstanding of how university data is officially compiled and reported to publishers like U.S. News & World Report:
I checked this with ChatGPT (subscription version). It pretty much wholly agrees with me. The output is long and detailed or I'd post all of it.
Key points:
1. The USN&WR rankings for most of their history used ONLY the Fall cohort to rank freshman classes.
2. Another method used to winnow down the early admits was the requirement of a 3.0 GPA for summer. That way, at least in theory, the summer Freshmen who made it would be toward the upper end of borderline admits even if they were counted with the Fall cohort.
3. The practice was more prevalent and oriented more toward "gaming the rankings" up through about 2015, now the admission process there is more open about levels of admission and other workarounds like co-enrollment are used.
I asked it to compare with another SEC school's practices who is farther up the lists ITT. Chat says the other school was just as bad about doing it under the guise of "class shaping" and other euphemisms in the 1990s, but in the last 15 years has moved beyond that to just being much more selective.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:45 pm to TheRealTigerHorn
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I checked this with ChatGPT (subscription version). It pretty much wholly agrees with me. The output is long and detailed or I'd post all of it.
Key points:
1. The USN&WR rankings for most of their history used ONLY the Fall cohort to rank freshman classes.
2. Another method used to winnow down the early admits was the requirement of a 3.0 GPA for summer. That way, at least in theory, the summer Freshmen who made it would be toward the upper end of borderline admits even if they were counted with the Fall cohort.
3. The practice was more prevalent and oriented more toward "gaming the rankings" up through about 2015, now the admission process there is more open about levels of admission and other workarounds like co-enrollment are used.
I asked it to compare with another SEC school's practices who is farther up the lists ITT. Chat says the other school was just as bad about doing it under the guise of "class shaping" and other euphemisms in the 1990s, but in the last 15 years has moved beyond that to just being much more selective.
Ok, all of that that you just shared doesn't prove UA did that and doesn't really jive with what you are accusing UA of. In fact, on your last tidbit it sounds like everyone did it. I typed in exactly what you were accusing UA of and my results spit out that it was a myth. How can two AI engines come up with separate answers? Which one is right?
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