re: SEC schools ranked by SAT scores

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I always thought Alabama was a better school than Auburn.

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Well it isn't. At least based on pretty much every measure available.

There hasn't been a single kid accepted to Auburn but rejected by Bama in the last 30 years.

I doubt that greatly.

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No one takes the SAT at most of those schools, it’s usually the ACT.

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Correct. They may accept SAT scores, but most all prefer the ACT, which is more an achievement test than aptitude.

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Can’t you get like an 800 on the SAT and get into Ole Miss?

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I heard you could drive through the Georgia campus with your windows down they would throw a diploma in your car. Something in Liberal Arts, I'm sure.

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In the 70s or 80s Jackson State/Alcorn/Valley in Mississippi sued the state for discrimination. One of the things the judge forced was for MSU and OM to reduce their admission standards to be equal to Jackson State/Alcorn/Valley.

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It was 1992 and settled in 2002.

Jake Ayers, a student at Jackson State, filed a lawsuit against the state's IHL Board and the governor (Ayers vs. Fordice is the court case) on behalf of all Black students at the three HBCUs in Mississippi, saying that their education was not as good as those at the PWIs.

Because Mississippi is backwards and one board controls all public colleges, we set ourself up for this (IMO, Ole Miss should have their own board and State should have their own board, which would shield them from Mississippi Mediocrity (TM), something that harms our state constantly.

Lots of funding changes (the HBCUs get way more than they should from the state coffers), but the admission standards had to be the same at all state institutions, and bringing the HBCUs up wasn't an option.

The ironic thing is that part of the settlement, the HBCUs had a list of things that they had to do and they haven't. If the decision was challenged in today's court system, I believe that the admission standards piece could be successfully challenged. ChatGPT says:

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Yes, the admission standards piece can be challenged, and parts of it have been continuously debated and modified since the ruling. In United States v. Fordice (1992), the Supreme Court specifically identified Mississippi's use of ACT scores as a primary mechanism that perpetuated segregation, as it restricted Black student access to historically white institutions (HWIs).

Failure to Dismantle the Dual System: Under the Fordice precedent, if an admission policy still maintains or restores vestiges of the old segregated system, it can be legally challenged as a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

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Mississippi also requires every high school student to take the ACT prior to graduation at taxpayer expense, and having sent two through, there is a significant number of students that just mark answers and take a 3 hour nap, thus our much lower average ACT score, and more respectable SAT scores.

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Aren't the majority of SEC schools still test optional?

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Why would any school with serious academic interest continue using the disabling covid easing stipulations lthat over burden their faculty with a bunch of dreck students

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Well it isn't. At least based on pretty much every measure available.

There hasn't been a single kid accepted to Auburn but rejected by Bama in the last 30 years.

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Tier 1: Highly Elite
Vandy: SAT 1510–1570 | ACT 34–35

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I got accepted to Vandy, but no scholarship... definitely could not have afforded it, especially considering my mom got diagnosed with polycythemia vera (a rare blood cancer) during my freshman year. The school I was going to I left to find someone place close to home so I could spend more time with her.

The process was, back in the 90s, pretty intense. I think Vandy's test requirements are even higher now than they were then (and they were still pretty damned high).

A got an offer for appointment to the USAFA, but only offered prep school for USMA.

I just took the 4 year Army ROTC offer and have no regrets.

I honestly didn't think UA was a serious school. My acceptance letter literally started with: "You've done it now."

I'd prefer to have my doctors, engineers, accountants, attorneys, etc... out of big 10 schools- they're nerds and ranked way higher than most SEC schools. I want the athletes I watch to be out of the SEC schools. This makes more sense.