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re: say what you will, but Auburn Basketball did not benefit in any way from this
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:48 am to Drebin
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:48 am to Drebin
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You just contradicted yourself and made my point
I haven't contradicted myself once. You keep moving the goal post. I have stated from post #1, that what Auburn was doing has nothing to do with getting a competitive advantage. It's actually the opposite. We were paying our two best players to leave.
ETA my first post......
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He was paying for our best players to leave.
How exactly does that benefit Auburn?
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:49 am to coachcrisp
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the HC is responsible for his staff and players.
So was Saban responsible for his staff paying a player? For his coach/staff committing a major NCAA violation recently? For his players taking money from agent runners? etc...
Saban has two major NCAA violations at bama under his watch...
asking for a friend...
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:50 am to Pettifogger
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100% plays in to severity of punishment AND impacts penalties leveled at Auburn. That you're now reframing your own words to have different and narrower meaning doesn't change that.
Man, you are a dumbass. I'm not talking about the severity of the penalty. I'm talking about that an infraction occurred. It doesn't matter what he was paying them to do, that is an infraction in the eyes of the NCAA.
You're the one reframing and twisting arguments - or maybe you just really suck at reading comprehension.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:51 am to MrAUTigers
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We were paying
Infraction.
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our two best players to leave.
So maybe the COI will take it easy, if this is true.
Comprende?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:53 am to Drebin
quote:gtfo
Man, you are a dumbass.
quote:And no one claimed it wasn't. You are assuming AU fans are claiming zero will come of this. Many AU fans are assuming you and others are saying the penalties will be damning and severe. You all are just talking past each other and arguing against incorrect inferences and assumptions.
I'm talking about that an infraction occurred. It doesn't matter what he was paying them to do, that is an infraction in the eyes of the NCAA.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:53 am to Drebin
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Man, you are a dumbass. I'm not talking about the severity of the penalty. I'm talking about that an infraction occurred. It doesn't matter what he was paying them to do, that is an infraction in the eyes of the NCAA.
Again, you're lashing out angrily because you misspoke.
Pejorative attacks to account for your own stupidity or negligence is a bad look.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:53 am to MrAUTigers
Wishful Auburn fans are making an assumption that the coach whose scam required NBA talent level players on his roster, did not do anything improper until they were on the roster. Even though, in this very case, there appears to be evidence that the scam and the shoe company $ was being used to get the players to choose a certain school.
Also, it is naive to think that a head coach,who already has baggage, is going to end up unscathed when his top assistant was paying at least two of his players.
Stil, this is a great exercise in observing confirmation bias in action...
Also, it is naive to think that a head coach,who already has baggage, is going to end up unscathed when his top assistant was paying at least two of his players.
Stil, this is a great exercise in observing confirmation bias in action...
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:54 am to Drebin
bama had an asst. S&C coach giving out "loans". What became of that? That is technically a coach giving out money. That is an NCAA infraction. Is it not?
Once again....the point is, what is the severity of the NCAA crime?
Several years ago agents were flying college football players to parties in Miami. Do you remember that? What became of that?
Once again....the point is, what is the severity of the NCAA crime?
Several years ago agents were flying college football players to parties in Miami. Do you remember that? What became of that?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:54 am to NYCAuburn
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So was Saban responsible for his staff paying a player? For his coach/staff committing a major NCAA violation recently? For his players taking money from agent runners? etc...
I seem to recall Saban acting and firing the coach. That speaks to institutional control and holding staff accountable under the coach's responsibility clause.
I'm not arguing that Saban is clean...there is enough smoke there too, but he could've done like, say, Ole Miss and stood behind the coach and challenged the NCAA and anyone else who dared question him, leading to an investigation. That's not what happened.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:55 am to Peter Buck
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Stil, this is a great exercise in observing confirmation bias in action...
unintentional honesty about your own circumstances
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:55 am to Peter Buck
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Even though, in this very case, there appears to be evidence that the scam and the shoe company $ was being used to get the players to choose a certain school.
So Adidas paid money for a player to go to an UA school?
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Also, it is naive to think that a head coach,who already has baggage, is going to end up unscathed when his top assistant was paying at least two of his players.
Stil, this is a great exercise in observing confirmation bias in action...
What this is is trying to connect dots that aren't there.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:56 am to Peter Buck
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Wishful Auburn fans are making an assumption that the coach whose scam required NBA talent level players on his roster, did not do anything improper until they were on the roster. Even though, in this very case, there appears to be evidence that the scam and the shoe company $ was being used to get the players to choose a certain school.
We are Under Armor, the shoe company was Adidas. What some opposing fans are doing is combining the Louisville situation with Auburn and combining them. The Auburn fans have done a deep dive of the indictment and this is really just a rogue coach benefiting the rogue coach.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:57 am to Peter Buck
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the coach whose scam
I havent read it completely, but I dont think this was his scam...
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did not do anything improper until they were on the roster.
do you have evidence otherwise?
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Even though, in this very case, there appears to be evidence that the scam and the shoe company $ was being used to get the players to choose a certain school.
Hmmm, do you understand why in this case, this happened the way it did and the school it did?
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Stil, this is a great exercise in observing confirmation bias in action...
agree on many accounts even yours
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:57 am to Pettifogger
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unintentional honesty about your own circumstances
You can't help but laugh at that last little comment
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:00 am to PearlJam
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And no one claimed it wasn't. You are assuming AU fans are claiming zero will come of this. Many AU fans are assuming you and others are saying the penalties will be damning and severe. You all are just talking past each other and arguing against incorrect inferences and assumptions.
That's exactly what I was responding to. "Nothing to see here because this didn't create a competitive advantage and Pearl had no knowledge of it" is the overriding narrative. A coach giving student athletes cash is damning. That is fundamentally correct. How damning will be determined at a later date. This is a fundamentally true statement. You guys are twisting it into me predicting severe penalties. I've never talked about severity of penalties. I'm talking about the infraction...your coach is guilty of committing a significant infraction based on the FBI report, and the NCAA is going to come in and investigate it. That can't be good news for any of you. I understand the angst and fear that comes with that. But at least attempt to be honest in your debate points with me and stop trying to shape my words into something else.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:01 am to NYCAuburn
My God some of these people need to read the indictment before commenting so much about this. It’s still being thrown out there that Person’s case is tied to Adidas.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:03 am to ArabianKnight
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I think its safe to assume that Chuck was using this to recruit more high profile kids with the assurance that they had money waiting on them.
Again... Nobody really knows, but this doesn't make much sense to me. Chuck is paid to land the best talent he can.
I think we'll find out sooner or later because AU has hired The Firm to do an internal investigation and it only behooves us to turn over every rock there is. Because if we hire the firm, they do the investigation and cover things up, and the NCAA comes behind them and finds something then we really would get the death penalty or something very severe. It behooves us to clean up our own mess. The FBI has made the NCAA look like a bunch of fools, so they are not going to take that lightly.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:04 am to Drebin
This is from the Arizona Republic newspaper in regards to Univ. of Arizona asst. coach. He only took $20,000 by the way.
"Richardson faces up to 60 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine if convicted of all charges, the judge said."
I bet these coaches will be dropping a dime on anybody that will soften their potential sentence.
"Richardson faces up to 60 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine if convicted of all charges, the judge said."
I bet these coaches will be dropping a dime on anybody that will soften their potential sentence.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:04 am to Smoke7024
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cheating
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Auburn
those two things go together like peanut butter and jelly. Wonder if Pearl was ever able to sit at the booth in Chappy's that is reserved for 'Auburn Men'
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:04 am to Drebin
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I seem to recall Saban acting and firing the coach. That speaks to institutional control and holding staff accountable under the coach's responsibility clause.
When they found out about infractions they fired coach, interesting....
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