Pettifogger
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re: We shouldn’t let Sankey make decisions…
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:45 pm to Scruffy
Agree with all of that, but I think in their mind having the "strong executive" was sort of a prerequisite to any of that being resolved authoritatively.
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re: We shouldn’t let Sankey make decisions…
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:43 pm to wadewilson
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All while he knew the entire time that those players would not be on LSU's roster.
If you trust that motherfricker, fine.
My position on this is neutral (on Sankey). I'm not saying he's the guy. I'm saying that the SEC felt like it could not just let this fade into gray while Lane talked shite at halftime without a more definitive conclusion. Right call? Don't know. But it was a bold play for Sankey and I won't be surprised if member presidents are viewing him a little loftier in the aftermath. Just how it is.
re: The Reason LSU Caved....
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:40 pm to UtahCajun
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Why did this "bluff on expulsion" come after LSU publicly stated they would not roster the two players?
Because it wasn't enough for the SEC to win the PR battle. My best guess, TBH. Some silent compliance while Lane ran his mouth didn't give the W the SEC needed.
re: We shouldn’t let Sankey make decisions…
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:38 pm to Scruffy
I genuinely don't think Sankey is Goodell, but that's clearly the model if he succeeds.
He rabble roused and at least presented the theoretical alignment of enough powerful institutions to threaten one of the other major institutions all while exposing himself to public disdain. That is the Goodell model entirely.
He rabble roused and at least presented the theoretical alignment of enough powerful institutions to threaten one of the other major institutions all while exposing himself to public disdain. That is the Goodell model entirely.
re: Sankey's private meeting with LSU
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:34 pm to Portcityblues
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we sent him a gift basket of corndogs and yellow mustard and he liked it
Sankey needed an offramp too. The last few days have just been about the price the SEC would exert. I'd be open to the idea that LSU ended up with a "very good outcome" in that particular part of the saga, based on what I see thus far.
re: No vote tomorrow
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:32 pm to DeathByTossDive226
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You read that letter and took away “I’m sorry sir” when it clearly says “yo dipshit what are you even trying to do here? Good luck with your kabuki case I guess.”
:lol:
The email traffic between LSU's attorneys and the SEC this morning wordsmithing the language that LSU was required to use would be very entertaining to see.
re: Sankey's private meeting with LSU
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:29 pm to UtahCajun
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Hahaha...national narrative is very pro-LSU. Have you zero media?
You guys can say this stuff until your face turns blue but the top story on ESPN - who was probably a party to this btw - leads with LSU sending its "compliance" letter.
Which, of course, was orchestrated with Sankey and likely approved by the Conference before release to the press.
re: If I’m the LSU prez, I tell all other SEC teams if they still holding the vote today
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:25 pm to Townedrunkard
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I took your advice. Sankey got scared and canceled the vote….
That you guys probably believe this is how it went down is amazing.
Hint: LSU and Sankey agreed LSU would write the letter and the SEC would drop the vote.
re: Sankey's private meeting with LSU
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:15 pm to Go Go Gata
Sankey is trying to be Goodell. TBD on how that works out for him.
I'm mixed on this saga. But I expect the national narrative will back him as showing strong, bold, leadership while the LSU fans here say he's a moment from getting the boot.
I'm mixed on this saga. But I expect the national narrative will back him as showing strong, bold, leadership while the LSU fans here say he's a moment from getting the boot.
re: The Reason LSU Caved....
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:13 pm to gamecockman12
Less controversial (I think) takeaways from this saga:
I think the SEC was able to bluff on expulsion in large part because LSU didn't have insight into what other SEC schools might do on something of this magnitude. I'm sure LSU thought it had a reasonable idea, but it didn't know for certain, and hence the collective panic yesterday and the letter today.
I don't really read that as "LSU doesn't have connections" so much as there being just enough distrust of other peer institutions to think "Would UGA/whomever really do it?"
I think the SEC was able to bluff on expulsion in large part because LSU didn't have insight into what other SEC schools might do on something of this magnitude. I'm sure LSU thought it had a reasonable idea, but it didn't know for certain, and hence the collective panic yesterday and the letter today.
I don't really read that as "LSU doesn't have connections" so much as there being just enough distrust of other peer institutions to think "Would UGA/whomever really do it?"
re: No vote tomorrow
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:06 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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The SEC bailed because they know they cant win by taking on a school who didn’t break any rules and who was willing to fight back.
If anything LSU eliminating Harris and Wright gave the SEC a chance to cave while saving face.
This is a very romanticized view of your school President being forced to release a public letter pretty clearly ratifying SEC authority today.
And it's a view that won't be reflected in the national narrative about this conclusion.
re: No vote tomorrow
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 4:03 pm to Adam Banks
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We heard in and in the last 24 hours about how the SEC didn’t care anymore it was about how they wanted the legal authority established in court.
Then they bailed.
I didn't see anything like this, but if it was, yeah, it was probably a bluff.
The SEC cares about its top down credibility right now, hence this entire saga. It absolutely did not want to test its 25% (my very rough merits estimate of the SEC argument) in Federal Court unless LSU was willing to go to war, which it obviously was not.
re: No vote tomorrow
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 3:52 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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It makes zero sense for the SEC to have agreed to a continuance today if that was the case.
Why not? The SEC's legal argument was creative but very questionable. LSU clearly agreed to the language in the letter and that it would be the public "concession".
The SEC got what it needs, it doesn't want to test the merits of that case now, why would it?
re: No vote tomorrow
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 3:51 pm to LSURulzSEC
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they were NEVER going to expel LSU or any other team…ever…
This is not 1988 SMU with only the schools taking the hit…
With the NIL/Rev share the college players are pros now…
The tv contracts are too large…the lawsuits would destroy a conference…no team in the power 4 will be expelled or receive a death penalty again…
Personally I do not think it was happening tomorrow regardless. So agreed to that extent.
The SEC is dead on arrival if the nuclear option doesn't have at least a sliver of credibility. This saga proved it does. That doesn't mean in a bigger contest a member wouldn't roll the dice, but this was a classic "very low risk, very high consequence" thing that LSU could not justify continuing.
re: No vote tomorrow
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 3:46 pm to UnoMe
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What exactly did did SEC win?
Over the last 36 hours we heard from a lot of LSU corners, including elected officials, of the value of LSU and how big a program it is.
So we learned that the SEC is strong enough and its leadership has enough credibility to threaten expulsion to a big program like LSU and LSU had no choice but to take it seriously and write that letter ratifying SEC rules and LSU's compliance with those rules.
If the SEC wants to be self-governing and autonomous in the coming age, it had to pass this test. And it did, at least at face value.
re: No vote tomorrow
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 3:39 pm to 1999
I said this would diffuse today (yesterday) now that LSU had started to take the expulsion threat seriously.
Next, we can look forward to this board touting an LSU victory (happening in real time), and then their increasing frustration when the entire rest of the sports world writes that the SEC forced LSU to submit and reinforced its authority over member programs (also beginning). Should be fun.
Next, we can look forward to this board touting an LSU victory (happening in real time), and then their increasing frustration when the entire rest of the sports world writes that the SEC forced LSU to submit and reinforced its authority over member programs (also beginning). Should be fun.
re: Senator Cassidy warns Sankey and SEC
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 3:36 pm to TutHillTiger
Congress: Widely known for getting shite done, right?
re: Sankey being made judge, jury, and executioner is a problem
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 3:33 pm to Triple Bogey
I don't think you're wrong, necessarily.
But I think there is a pretty stout argument that an organization like this - a pseudo pro sports league/commission/etc. with visions of even more grandeur - has to behave like this to keep order, especially in the face of a major program stress testing it for fun.
I think LSU has a recent history of presenting itself as unconcerned and credibility-testing enforcement mechanisms/compliance. I think that and this scenario made LSU a ripe test subject that was just below the level of a Bama or UT (ie, where the expulsion bluff would be harder to manage). In short, I don't think this was really about LSU all that much.
But I think there is a pretty stout argument that an organization like this - a pseudo pro sports league/commission/etc. with visions of even more grandeur - has to behave like this to keep order, especially in the face of a major program stress testing it for fun.
I think LSU has a recent history of presenting itself as unconcerned and credibility-testing enforcement mechanisms/compliance. I think that and this scenario made LSU a ripe test subject that was just below the level of a Bama or UT (ie, where the expulsion bluff would be harder to manage). In short, I don't think this was really about LSU all that much.
re: Who Blinked?
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/9/26 at 3:26 pm to Night Vision
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Is LSU playing those players they wanted to play?
Welp
It's not just that. It was a collective meltdown on here, among LSU alums, among LSU writers and ambassadors. Some angry, many just pleading the case. Followed by the letter to the SEC which was probably the orchestrated pound of flesh. LSU got gut checked and folded.
Personally, I don't think the SEC would have kicked out LSU regardless, not yet at least, but I think it was a pretty masterclass bluff that served the intended purpose.
To be more specific, it was sort of Trump-like (and I'm not saying this to blow smoke in favor of Trump). What I mean is that world leaders regularly know Trump is bluffing, or highly suspect it, but there is that little tinge of "this is moving too fast and is too unpredictable" such that they have to take it seriously even though they'd wager a big bet against the worst outcome. I think that's what happened here, too.
re: Lawsuit will be dropped and no voting. Mark my words. Empty threat
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/8/26 at 11:15 pm to Bamatide69
An empty threat that gets the desired outcome wasn’t perceived as empty by the target
re: What odds would you place on an LSU expulsion?
Posted by Pettifogger on 9/8/26 at 10:50 pm to Scruffy
I think you guys will have to eat it a little and the SEC will give you some face saving routes to make that less painful. Whether that leads to you departing 3 years from now probably depends on a lot of things. I mean, if Kiffin doesn’t live up to expectations that’s an easy rationalization for letting the bad blood die off, for example
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