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re: Saban: CFB Playoff is why players are skipping bowl games
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:27 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:27 am to Bench McElroy
He's 100% correct on this topic. It diminishes big bowls like Sugar and Rose when they're meaningless to the playoffs. This will continue to happen for big time 1st and 2nd round players who's teams fell flat that particular year.
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:27 am to BlackCloud
Either that or like most of us older guys we still believe that the team is always most important. Fournette has reason to sit with a high ankle sprain. These other two clowns do not. Let me tell you something Ed Orgeron and LSU need this win in a very bad way. Butch Jones and the TN football program need this win in a very bad way. To the programs that aren't Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State or Michigan these other bowl games are important. Saban is right the playoffs devalue the bowl games to fans and media.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:27 am to MightyYat
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Why? How does North Texas playing Army on 12/27 @ noon diminish anything? I don't understand the argument.
If you're a participation trophy type then by all means...
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:28 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I never said he didn't. But his entire point is about the bowl system. I mean, there's a quote in both links provided about "keeping the integrity" of the bowls. The BCS and playoff didn't do that in his estimation.
The goal posts seem to be moving here. But that's par for the course anytime Saban opens his mouth.
Saban moved the goalposts himself. "Keep the integrity?" WTF does that mean? How much "integrity" did the Copper Bowl or Blockbuster Bowl have in 1990?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:28 am to DoubleDown
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He's 100% correct on this topic. It diminishes big bowls like Sugar and Rose when they're meaningless to the playoffs. This will continue to happen for big time 1st and 2nd round players who's teams fell flat that particular year.
You're not making any sense. These bowls, if they weren't the BCS NCG before, were just as "meaningless" as they are now. If anything, the playoff made MORE bowl games "significant", not less.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:29 am to DoubleDown
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He's 100% correct on this topic. It diminishes big bowls like Sugar and Rose when they're meaningless to the playoffs. This will continue to happen for big time 1st and 2nd round players who's teams fell flat that particular year.
The Sugar is out of it this year and it's still a pretty big game with a lot of fanfare. It's not different than the years it wasn't the BCS game. The argument doesn't hold water.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:30 am to Bench McElroy
Saban is being disingenuous here. The non-championship bowl games were always meaningless. CFB playoff just took off the veil.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:32 am to the_watcher
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Why did it take a playoff for the media talking heads and apparently a majority of fans to realize just about all bowl games are irrelevant? They were meaningless 10 years ago and they are meaningless now. Every single bowl game outside of the BCS Championship and now the CFP games are glorified exhibitions.
LSU might win the Citrus Bowl this year. Does anyone care? I want them to win as a fan but if they lose who gives a shite. I never understood fans being so excited that their team won their bowl game. Wow your team you root for lost 4 games this year and beat the 5th place finisher in the Coastal division of the ACC in the New Era Pinstripe Bowl! F*ck yea print the shirts! NO ONE CARES
How cynical. Bowl games are still important to the teams and the majority of their fans.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:32 am to MightyYat
I like how most LSU fans are using lower tier bowls for this argument.
When there were 20 bowls, it meant a hell of a lot. And when you made New Years bowl game it was the culmination of a great season. Not that it can't be that way again, but no one really cares now. There's 41 bowl games. 5-7 teams are going. There's a 8-4 team in the Sugar Bowl. That doesn't make it feel the least bit diminished to you?
When there were 20 bowls, it meant a hell of a lot. And when you made New Years bowl game it was the culmination of a great season. Not that it can't be that way again, but no one really cares now. There's 41 bowl games. 5-7 teams are going. There's a 8-4 team in the Sugar Bowl. That doesn't make it feel the least bit diminished to you?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:33 am to dawgfan24348
What is/was great about college football is the regular season. Three months of meaningful games. Playoffs detract from that. The more games are added, the less the season matters. I can live with 4 teams, but anything more is too much. With 8 teams in, you get a free loss guaranteed. The blue bloods will probably get two free passes. I can hear the whining now as Bama wins their 20th NC with two losses.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:33 am to Goldrush25
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Saban is being disingenuous here. The non-championship bowl games were always meaningless. CFB playoff just took off the veil.
And he stated as much during the BCS era.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:33 am to CapstoneGrad06
You said you didn't recall and proof was provided that he's supported a playoff. In the OPs post Saban says "is it good, probably not but you can't blame the kids, it's what we created."
He's doing a complete 180 on what he's been supporting since 1997.
gotta wonder what his motive is. Maybe Washington looks better than he though
It's funny watching some gumps go in circles chasing their tail like a retarded dog.
He's doing a complete 180 on what he's been supporting since 1997.
gotta wonder what his motive is. Maybe Washington looks better than he though It's funny watching some gumps go in circles chasing their tail like a retarded dog.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:33 am to TidalSurge1
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How cynical. Bowl games are still important to the teams and the majority of their fans.
So then the integrity is still in place then right? That's how it's always been. Y'all are arguing yourselves in circles.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:34 am to Bench McElroy
Saban is correct.
I would also add thatLeonard Fournette should not play since he's not healed from his high ankle injury that he play through all season.
I would also add thatLeonard Fournette should not play since he's not healed from his high ankle injury that he play through all season.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:35 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I like how most LSU fans are using lower tier bowls for this argument.
When there were 20 bowls, it meant a hell of a lot. And when you made New Years bowl game it was the culmination of a great season. Not that it can't be that way again, but no one really cares now. There's 41 bowl games. 5-7 teams are going. There's a 8-4 team in the Sugar Bowl. That doesn't make it feel the least bit diminished to you?
I cited the Sugar. It's no different this year than it was in the off-BCS years.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:35 am to MightyYat
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The Sugar is out of it this year and it's still a pretty big game with a lot of fanfare. It's not different than the years it wasn't the BCS game. The argument doesn't hold water.
I dunno. I don't see it that way. If Bama didn't make the playoffs this year (or any other year) literally ANY other bowl game is no fun to me and I probably wouldn't pay money to go. However, the year we didn't make the BCS and played Utah in the Sugar Bowl I definitely went to that game and was intrigued for the match up and such.
From a players perspective, you guys are probably right. It's all meaningless to them unless they're playing for a championship. Guess I was looking at it from a fans perspective.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:35 am to Goldrush25
Again I think depending on the situation every bowl game should matter. Ohio state in an outback bowl no you're right it doesn't matter. A coach trying to get traction in recruiting or establishing momentum into the next season the music city bowl or the liberty bowl matter plenty. But Saban is right the way those bowls are covered now by media and fans is diminished because of the playoffs.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:36 am to Rhino5
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You said you didn't recall and proof was provided that he's supported a playoff. In the OPs post Saban says "is it good, probably not but you can't blame the kids, it's what we created."
Is he not allowed to change his mind? Could he not have thought the playoff would have been better for the bowl system as a whole? And it hasn't done that in his estimation, to this point.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:37 am to MightyYat
The problem with the playoff to me isn't bowl games being diminished, it's the regular season being diminished. Especially if we're talking about expanding the playoff. Bowls have always been exhibitions unless you were in the title hunt.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:37 am to MightyYat
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I cited the Sugar. It's no different this year than it was in the off-BCS years.
And he stated the same thing in the BCS era about major bowls that weren't hosting the championship game that season.
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