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re: Saban: CFB Playoff is why players are skipping bowl games

Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:39 am to
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
50691 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:39 am to
ok if you say so
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:42 am to
Again, Fournette would not play much at all even if he asked to. He's injured and looked terrible last time he suited up.

4 teams instead of 2 playing for a title did not make the citrus bowl any less important.

The insane number of bowls is what makes bowls less important.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24884 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:44 am to
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He doesn't coach football afraid that people are going to get hurt?


No. No coach worth a shite would coach like that either.

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He doesn't think athletes should live their life worried about creating value for themselves?


He didn't say anything like that. In fact he said quite the opposite.

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That's easy to say when you are worth tens of millions of dollars and won't lose a penny if anybody ruins their athletic career with an injury. The lake house and vacation properties are all paid off.

This guy has zero self-awareness. What a dick.


Just being honest here - football sounds like too rough a sport for you to enjoy. That's not necessarily a bad thing - there are plenty of other sports you could get into.
Posted by Silverback
Gumpin' ain't easy
Member since Aug 2011
4308 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:48 am to
Critiquing Fournette is not cool. Young men at his age often limit themselves out of fear, which is why good coaching is so important in success. LF7's major mistake was joining that Sunbelt conference team that plays in the SEC.
Posted by reggieray420
Member since Dec 2016
2700 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:50 am to
It's easy to say you can't play scared when you're as fricking loaded as Saban is
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:53 am to
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I think Saban is just angry that he has to play 2 games instead of 1 at the end of the year.


he's the best overall coach in the nation
he's the best recruiter in the nation
he has the best roster in the nation
his team is more consistent than any other in the nation
he's the best program 'CEO' in the nation

the more games played, the more likely it is that a true competitor to saban will lose to an inferior team, making the next matchup with bama even more favorable to bama; whereas such upsets are far less likely for bama.

the more layers you add to the playoff system, the more advantageous it is for saban.

john wooden won 10 titles in 12 years at ucla. geno auriemma is the only other coach to match the number of titles won by wooden. women's sports suffer from a lack of parity and the field is much, much easier in women's sports once a program has become dominant. john wooden was twice the coach auriemma is. saban is better than both. turn the playoff into a 16 team format and saban would likely break wooden's record of 10 in 12 years.

he is so far inside everyone's head, even when he gives an honest opinion, people think he's scheming them. saban is correct here.

JMO but the 4 team playoff is a good idea but the semifinals need to have been played this past Saturday, roughly two weeks after the CCGs at the home site of #1 and #2. That way the losers can enter the conventional bowl matchups and the winners wait for the title game in early January - which would be a 'bowl game' the same as it was in the BCS era. It also puts a premium on making it to #1 or #2, making the regular season more important. This would restore some more importance to the bowls, and would guarantee each playoff team two more games as well as keeping the regular season records extremely important and mitigate situations where the committee drops a conference champ and rewards a team that doesn't win its division like this year with PennSt and OSU, who would now have to travel to Clemson.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30864 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:57 am to
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Saban doesn't care if he runs his players into the dirt before the NFL.


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All I said was he would do whatever to win.


These two things are not the same thing.

That said, Saban has built a system where he doesn't have to run players into the dirt. Alabama has depth levels other teams only dream about.

LF had more career carries than Henry, despite an injury keeping on the sidelines for about, what, half the year? A player, who has an injury, still finishes his career with more carries than the guy everyone said Saban was running into the ground.

Salty LSU fan is salty.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16151 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:58 am to
Most GM's do not base a decision off of one game when it comes to drafting a player. It's easy to say as saban did about playing the bowl game when you're already worth millions.

Now put yourself in LF's shoes. If he plays and plays well he may increase his stock 5%-10% in the eyes of GM's (I get those numbers based off how much higher he may get picked IF his stock goes up). So the upside is minimal but the downside is infinite. He could have a catastrophic injury that ruins his career. Now if I'm poor as shite and only weeks away from a life changing event even without playing one more game, I'm going to sit out.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:59 am to
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He IS right. He's also right that all of you screaming for 8 teams, will want 16 teams, and you'll eventually ruin college football.


It's already ruined and requires a massive course correction or it will morph into something none of us recognize at all.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:00 am to
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Saban doesn't care if he runs his players into the dirt before the NFL. Just win is all that matters.


Don't forget 'muh popular vote' while you're crying.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49238 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:17 am to
Yeah playoffs are horrible
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:25 am to
Reading comprehension not your strong suit I see. Great athletes compete at a high level and are willing to push themselves to gain value. He never said what you implied. All great athletes push themselves with an understanding of the risk associated with it.

The difference in a program I guess that recruits those who want to win and be the best vs those who accept mediocre with their program
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 8:26 am
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:30 am to
I would wager you would not take this stand with LF7 if your team was in the playoffs. I could see it now he holds a press conference about the upcoming draft and how he came from nothing and now wants to ensure his family is taking care of and decides to skip the playoffs. LSU fans would cause the state of LA to come under martial law. Your fan base is so delusional.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:32 am to
I have no issue with playoffs but the driving force behind it has nothing to do with picking the best teams, it is driven by money and if expanded it will only be about money and nothing more
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73474 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:38 am to
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Let's see the comparison if someone criticizes LSU's prized child, Fournette.


Gumps are experts on starting Fournette threads.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16151 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:39 am to
I said what I said based off the fact that we are playing in an unimportant bowl game. Your hypothetical situation you just made up is apples and oranges to what's really going on in reality. I don't deal in hypotheticals. My feelings for him not playing is that I'm saddened that he's not playing but I understand. Guice has balled out of control too so it's not like we have a huge drop in talent.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:41 am to
Fournette has a good reason to sit out the bowl game though - he's not healthy.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16151 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:43 am to
He hasn't been healthy all year
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:43 am to
I agree about Guice and he should be fun to watch next year. If the OL can control the trenches kid will be in the Heisman talk until the end.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28898 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:43 am to
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I think Saban is just angry that he has to play 2 games instead of 1 at the end of the year.


Naw, couldn't be. Remember how big-hearted Nick was gravely concerned about HUNH and "players safety?" Now his sweet soul all the sudden cares about other teams players sitting out games.Guy really is a saint.
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