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re: Saban: CFB Playoff is why players are skipping bowl games
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:38 am to Teague
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:38 am to Teague
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all of you screaming for 8 teams, will want 16 teams, and you'll eventually ruin college football.
This is plum retarded.
It's the idiots that want to hold onto the bowl system that will eventually lead to this. There are 41 bowl games this year (thats 82 teams in case you needed that). There are only 128 teams in FBS.....you realize now that what we have is a participation trophy event. The kid's are starting to realize that.
Go to a 16 team playoff and have maybe 8-10 other bowl games....that would be optimal but the money probably won't let that happen. It will most likely eventually be a 16 team playoff with every other FBS school going to a bowl game which like Saban says will cause players not to play in those meaningless bowl games.
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:38 am to DoubleDown
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I dunno. I don't see it that way. If Bama didn't make the playoffs this year (or any other year) literally ANY other bowl game is no fun to me and I probably wouldn't pay money to go. However, the year we didn't make the BCS and played Utah in the Sugar Bowl I definitely went to that game and was intrigued for the match up and such.
It's probably hard for Bama fans to think about since y'all are in the freaking playoffs every year but you wouldn't have been interested in a game again Oklahoma this year?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:41 am to MightyYat
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I cited the Sugar. It's no different this year than it was in the off-BCS years.
Exactly. You can argue the MANY MORE bowl games now than there were 20 years ago has made bowl games less significant overall. The playoff certainly has NOT made bowl games less significant though. The only argument about that should be it made MORE games significant because it created 3 games now for teams playing for a championship vs. just 1 previously in the BCS era.
Oh, there's an 8-4 team in the Sugar Bowl?
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Happened before. A 4 loss Florida State went to the Orange Bowl 3 years after that.
Bowl games are no different now than they were under the BCS era except that we've added a few more "important" bowls. That's it.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:41 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Is he not allowed to change his mind?
He's been calling for a playoff for 20 years!
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:44 am to JuiceTerry
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The problem with the playoff to me isn't bowl games being diminished, it's the regular season being diminished. Especially if we're talking about expanding the playoff. Bowls have always been exhibitions unless you were in the title hunt.
The regular season has been diminished for a while, have you seen the OOC schedules SEC teams play?
Would it be so bad to eliminate a cupcake game, go back to 11 game schedules, and have an 8, 12 or 16 team playoff which would be a lot more meaningful than playing an extra game against The Citadel?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:45 am to Rhino5
Rhino no he has not. If you go back and look at his press conference he has said from the beginning it would diminish the bowl games. They are discussing this very topic in the radio now.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:45 am to thunderbird1100
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Exactly. You can argue the MANY MORE bowl games now than there were 20 years ago has made bowl games less significant overall. The playoff certainly has NOT made bowl games less significant though. The only argument about that should be it made MORE games significant because it created 3 games now for teams playing for a championship vs. just 1 previously in the BCS era.
I'll state this a third time. He made this argument about the BCS too.
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Oh, there's an 8-4 team in the Sugar Bowl?
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Happened before. A 4 loss Florida State went to the Orange Bowl 3 years after that.
Well, FSU was a conference champion. So...
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:45 am to MightyYat
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It's probably hard for Bama fans to think about since y'all are in the freaking playoffs every year but you wouldn't have been interested in a game again Oklahoma this year?
ONLY for a revenge factor but outside of that, no.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:45 am to Rhino5
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He's been calling for a playoff for 20 years!
And?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:45 am to Rhino5
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Naw, couldn't be. Remember how big-hearted Nick was gravely concerned about HUNH and "players safety?" Now his sweet soul all the sudden cares about other teams players sitting out games.Guy really is a saint.
Whether or not he's a saint, he's a landlord and 100% owns the space between your ears.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:46 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Well, FSU was a conference champion. So...
Because that makes it so much more exciting over a 4-loss Auburn. You're sitting here trying to talk about importance of some non-playoff bowls and want to tell me a 4-loss ACC champ playing in them is more exciting or more "important" than a 4-loss Auburn from this year? Come on...
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 9:49 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:52 am to CapstoneGrad06
He's being disingenuous. He's campaigned for decades about a playoff system. Other bowls diminishing was not his primary concern. It was more of campaign for his teams to get a shot at a title. I guess the thought of having a larger playoff pool is rattling the old man in his quest to be the best and winnigest ever. Sure would be nice to be placed in the championship game again, wouldn't Nick?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:52 am to thunderbird1100
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Because that makes it so much more exciting over a 4-loss Auburn.
I'm not saying it does. But that's an outlier from the past. Not unlike a UConn or Pitt in the Fiesta in years past.
Look, I don't have a solution to this. Or maybe there's not a problem to begin with. It's just the way I see it. I just think there's too damn many bowl games. And major bowls are on the backburner unless they're hosting a playoff game.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:54 am to Rhino5
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He's being disingenuous. He's campaigned for decades about a playoff system. Other bowls diminishing was not his primary concern. It was more of campaign for his teams to get a shot at a title. I guess the thought of having a larger playoff pool is rattling the old man in his quest to be the best and winnigest ever. Sure would be nice to be placed in the championship game again, wouldn't Nick?
At least we know what your agenda is.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:55 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I just think there's too damn many bowl games
I can agree with that. It's a participation trophy these days.
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And major bowls are on the backburner unless they're hosting a playoff game.
This I just dont agree with. The teams playing in them who arent in the playoff arent playing for any more or less than the teams who werent in the BCS NCG beforehand and in major bowls.
I've been championing a LARGE playoff for years now. FBS up until the 4-team playoff was the ONLY NCAA Sport basically that wasn't decided by a tournament of some sort. Basketball has a tournament, baseball has a tournament...FCS football has a tournament/playoff. The only reason it's been so slow to hit FBS is because of the bowl contract and money involved in that. You'll never have a true champion until you have more teams qualify to play for it. When you have almost 130 teams, you cannot legitimately crown someone picking the perceived best 4.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:56 am to thunderbird1100
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This I just dont agree with. The teams playing in them who arent in the playoff arent playing for any more or less than the teams who werent in the BCS NCG beforehand and in major bowls.
It was the same during the BCS era. I'm stating I've had the same issue then, as I do now.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:58 am to MightyYat
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It's talking out both sides of his mouth. The lower bowls are no more diminished today than they were 20 years ago. It's just a stupid conversation.
I get that. I think Saban does too. His primary point was that the media hypes the playoff so much that it tends to make the non-playoff bowl games seem less important to some fans and some players who are entering the draft and considering sitting them out. He probably is right about that. It doesn't seem to me that he's contradicting himself.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:58 am to Bench McElroy
I would be good with eliminating all non-playoff games. Expand it to 8 teams and nobody else plays.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:59 am to Bench McElroy
I like the old traditional bowl ties myself.
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