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re: Saban: CFB Playoff is why players are skipping bowl games

Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:41 am to
Posted by Broken Coyote
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:41 am to
The presser where he made the statement places what he said in context.

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Posted by SL Tiger
Houston
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:49 am to
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He's not wrong about the impact of the CFP on the bowl. Expansion would further impact them.


What I like about Saban is that he's always thinking 3 steps ahead. He could be saying that "if" we are going to have a playoff, we should expand it to more teams so that more games are relevant. If/when we go to 8 teams, that increases the chances that his team will be included even during an off year when Bama may have 2 losses. He could also be saying...frick the playoff format, let's go back to the "eyeball test" method of picking the final 2 teams. I don't know about expansion having a greater impact because 8 teams would be relevant instead of 4. Ask yourself this question...Would Vegas have moire $$ in play, right now, with 8 teams on the board? Washington is at ~15:1 so the #8 would still be a good team and getting heavier odds. I'd take Michigan if I was getting 20:1 but you wouldn't get those odds on Michigan. I'm thinking Michigan would probably be closer to 6:1 or somewhere between OSU & Clemson.

One thing is certain...if there is a way for the NCAA to make more money, we will eventually get there. I can guarantee that this bowl skipping trend has the NCAA very concerned. Bowl sponsors won't put up $$ if the star players don't play. Fans won't attend the bowls if the star players don't play. Saban sees the longer term impact and players skipping bowls will only get worse, Next year it will be players skipping games after November. Remember when everyone was debating whether, or not LF7, should even play this season? I read lots of opinions from other SEC fans/media saying that he shouldn't play. I'm sure that some of those same people are now publicly criticizing him for not playing.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:54 am to
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You sir are a goddamn idiot..

Please explain how I am wrong. We had to vacate games in 2007 and only got to keep the win against UT because those 5 players sat. Andre Smith had to sit out the Sugar Bowl because he later would have been ruled ineligible because of contact with an agent. Please tell me how Saban had really had a choice in those cases. The compliance director most definitely told him that we would get in trouble of those guys played.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:01 pm to
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he's the best overall coach in the nation
he's the best recruiter in the nation
he has the best roster in the nation
his team is more consistent than any other in the nation
he's the best program 'CEO' in the nation

the more games played, the more likely it is that a true competitor to saban will lose to an inferior team, making the next matchup with bama even more favorable to bama; whereas such upsets are far less likely for bama.

the more layers you add to the playoff system, the more advantageous it is for saban.

john wooden won 10 titles in 12 years at ucla. geno auriemma is the only other coach to match the number of titles won by wooden. women's sports suffer from a lack of parity and the field is much, much easier in women's sports once a program has become dominant. john wooden was twice the coach auriemma is. saban is better than both. turn the playoff into a 16 team format and saban would likely break wooden's record of 10 in 12 years.

he is so far inside everyone's head, even when he gives an honest opinion, people think he's scheming them. saban is correct here.

JMO but the 4 team playoff is a good idea but the semifinals need to have been played this past Saturday, roughly two weeks after the CCGs at the home site of #1 and #2. That way the losers can enter the conventional bowl matchups and the winners wait for the title game in early January - which would be a 'bowl game' the same as it was in the BCS era. It also puts a premium on making it to #1 or #2, making the regular season more important. This would restore some more importance to the bowls, and would guarantee each playoff team two more games as well as keeping the regular season records extremely important and mitigate situations where the committee drops a conference champ and rewards a team that doesn't win its division like this year with PennSt and OSU, who would now have to travel to Clemson.


I love this post.


Having the early, experimental years of the playoffs with the same teams, may turn out best in the long run. With Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State all returning so soon, the fans are less likely to travel to semi games. The ticket prices are below face value on the aftermarket. There's also too many competing entertainment options during New year's to attract a large semifinal traveling crowd. They're waiting for the finals.

Bring it back to the home stadiums of the top 2 teams, a couple weeks after the conference championships, and rotate the NCG between the ny6 bowls.

If they refuse to change it, but do go to 8 teams, they'll probably do that at home stadiums.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 12:04 pm
Posted by TouchdownAlabama
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:20 pm to
This is several pages long, and I haven't even read the whole thing, but as for Saban and his comments -- I think the man is never satisfied and can find a reason to criticize something about the system, or just be honest about how he feels about it, no matter how that system is run. During the BCS era, he could at times be critical. He's going to be critical now, too. I don't see the problem here. This is Nick Saban.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:27 pm to
Can someone tell me how skipping a bowl game suddenly became worse than skipping an entire senior season?

tia
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:33 pm to
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4 teams instead of 2 playing for a title did not make the citrus bowl any less important.


2010 Bama and Michigan State say you're a moron. That was a helluva significant game for both programs.
Posted by SL Tiger
Houston
Member since May 2007
2223 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:34 pm to
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I think the man is never satisfied


That's true for most highly successful people. I admire Saban for that but I suspect that his family probably doesn't. I liked Miles in his early years because I thought that he could achieve the same success without being like Saban. After 2011, I realized that Miles couldn't hang with Saban and it was only a matter of time before we would be looking for a new coach. Urban may be the only guy that can hang with Saban but he already quit once.
Posted by jlc05
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:36 pm to
Except that the players skipping games aren't on teams playing meaningful bowls regardless of CFP games.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:38 pm to
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2010 Bama and Michigan State say you're a moron. That was a helluva significant game for both programs

No, it wasn't.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:39 pm to
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Can someone tell me how skipping a bowl game suddenly became worse than skipping an entire senior season?


Seriously?

For starters, when you skip your senior year, you no longer occupy a scholarship slot on the roster. Stanford will recruit to fill McCaffrey's spot and will have 8 months to game plan for the next game without him. Now they go into a game they probably would really like to win, minus a critical player they have depended on all year, now with less depth.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:45 pm to
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2010 Bama and Michigan State say you're a moron. That was a helluva significant game for both programs

No, it wasn't.


The hell it wasn't. It helped turn around a disappointing season for Bama and springboard them toward a national championship the following year, and for Michigan State it showed how far they still had to go. Herbstreit's repeated reference to that game during Cotton Bowl coverage last year wasn't for no good reason.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:54 pm to
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For starters, when you skip your senior year, you no longer occupy a scholarship slot on the roster...Now they go into a game they probably would really like to win, minus a critical player

So they won't have a major player for their meaningless bowl game. They get to replace a senior with a true freshman? Awesome.

I actually remember when leaving after your junior was frowned upon when it was first allowed. Now we just accept it, and even justify it with BS. I predict that in the near future we will look at juniors who are leaving early sitting out bowl games, and we won't even bat an eye.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:56 pm to
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It helped turn around a disappointing season for Bama and springboard them toward a national championship the following year, and for Michigan State it showed how far they still had to go. Herbstreit's repeated reference to that game during Cotton Bowl coverage last year wasn't for no good reason.

It didn't change MSU at all. They weren't much better when we played them last year.

A lot of the guys that played well for Bama left after that game. And I don't believe momentum lasts through an 8 month break.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 12:58 pm to
he's right
Posted by KiffinsVisor
Tennessee
Member since Jun 2014
1129 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 1:20 pm to
The goal of a coach should be JUST WIN. The NFL has nothing to do with the success he has at alabama. Do you want a coach worrying more about the NFL than winning games hes actually coaching? dumb statement
Posted by Scoreboard
Madison, AL
Member since Apr 2012
2011 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 1:21 pm to
And hurry up offenses cause injuries, doncha know?
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:36 pm to
I don't know that there is a whole lot of truth to that....we have had a BCS championship game for a long while. 2 of 128 teams had a shot at the championship.....now 4 of 128 teams still do.

We went all the bowls except one being kinda meaningless to all the bowls except three.
Posted by Sid E Walker
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:56 pm to
Saban is just subtly trolling certain players that made ill-advised choices out of high school.

Young athletes should never kowtow to the wishes of an angry in-state fanbase. Those choices are likely to be rued later.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20760 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:57 pm to
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Bring it back to the home stadiums of the top 2 teams, a couple weeks after the conference championships, and rotate the NCG between the ny6 bowls.


The problem is the rankings are subjective and sometimes there is little to no difference between 2-3. Having a home field for the semi-final is a huge advantage. This isn't like the NFL where it's based on record. I can't imagine the lack of enthusiasm that would take place in the consolation bowl for the semi-final losers.

But to Saban's point, the only difference between the CFP and the BCS is that there is a perception that there are two different postseasons taking place. That perception feeds the thought to some that bowl games are less meaningful now.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 2:59 pm
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