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Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:48 pm to ScoggDog
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First year in the SEC - Oklahoma is going to upset somebody. And get upset two or three times. Until they bulk up on both lines. And generally rebuild that roster. And learn how to get off the field on defense.
The fact that you say they need to bulk up on both lines tells me you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
We have up and down periods but have consistently been one of the top offensive lines in the country and have placed a lot of players in the NFL.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:53 pm to Jake81
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Was it a shock for aTm or Missouri?
It was, so……
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:57 pm to Walnut
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Was it a shock for aTm or Missouri?
It was, so……
They had a both had a similar record in the Big 12, how is that a shock?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:57 pm to Jake81
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Was it a shock for aTm or Missouri?
Both those schools entrances are EXACTLY what you're in store for. They both made a big early splash - and they both should have ... well coached, talented, well supported programs - but the grind catches up. Oklahoma will do the same.
Look - we're done here. You want to hear that you're going to own the league. That's not going to happen. First year in ? If you play in the West ? 6-2. And that would be really, really good. Top Ten good. Just don't know if it'll be good enough to satisfy you.
And here's the deal - you'll lose recruits with that kind of record. Because you're losing. Welcome to the SEC.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:58 pm to ChapelHillSooner
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Look at it from our perspective. Every time we steamroll an Alabama(45-31), Auburn (35-19), or Florida (55-20) it gets completely dismissed by people like you. They didn't want to be there. They were disappointed in not making the playoffs. Blah, blah, blah.
Why the heck do we play the game if we aren't going to be given any credit for winning it? It's infuriating.
I think a very fair point is that in most of your seasons you have dropped one or more games and often to poor competition. If you dropped a few games in the SEC during that stretch you would probably have never qualified for certain bowls or the BCS playoffs
2012 - lost to a mediocre KSU squad and a were beat solidly by a good Notre Dame squad. You lose big to A&M in the Cotton
2013 – Lose to unranked Texas and a good Baylor squad. Beat Bama in the Sugar . . .good win there
2014 – Disaster of a season. 5 losses. Hammered in the Citrus bowl against Clemson by nearly 40 points
2015 – Lose to an unranked Texas squad. Destroyed by Clemson for the second year in a row in the Orange
2016 – Beat soundly by UofH in the opener. Humiliated by OSU. Finished with a bowl win over an Auburn team that finished ranked #22
2017 – Lose to unranked ISU in the regular season. You lose in round 1 of the playoffs against UGA
2018 – Lose to a mediocre Texas team. Never really competitive in your loss to Bama in the playoffs
2019 – Lose to an unranked K-State team during the regular season. Prison raped by LSU in round 1 of the playoffs
2020 - Regular season losses to an unranked K State squad and a good ISU squad. Big win over Florida
Based on all that, it is hard to see how any of those squads could have won the SEC with the exception of maybe the 2017 squad.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You guys are a great program but you want to be judged as an elite one and that happens by winning against elite teams, not 3-4 loss teams in non-playoff games.
I would agree with you that we haven't been elite because our defense have been so suspect. I'll also admit that several years I cringed when we made the playoffs.
But that isn't what this thread is about. We have idiots here saying we couldn't win half our games against Arkansas. We have idiots here saying we need to bulk up our offensive line.
These non-elite games I reference, while they don't prove we have been elite, they do prove that we have been good enough to compete with the better teams in the SEC, just not the best.
As for the Auburn game, maybe they weren't good but we sure heard a ton of talk from SEC fans how they were going to destroy us. Same crap as in this thread.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:04 pm to BigBro
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A&M = 79.99 Sagarin Rating last 3 years Big 12
A&M = 86.66 Sagarin Rating first 3 years SEC
Missouri = 80.57 SagRating last 3 years Big 12
Missouri = 84.22 SagRating first 3 years SEC
A&M = 7.33 Wins last 3 years Big 12
A&M = 9.33 Wins first 3 years SEC
Missouri = 8.67 Wins last 3 years Big 12
Missouri = 9.33 Wins first 3 years SEC
Bookmarking this post for when Texas does worse and for a Texas fan nut riding A&M.
Mizzou played in the east and got killed it's first year. Then Florida and Georgia started having problems and they had a few decent years. However, they got killed in the SECCG, and aside from A&M they beat a total of 1 SEC West team, 7-6 Arkansas which they won by a TD.
Btw, that Arkansas team went on to beat Texas in the bowl game, 31-7.
A&M installed a new system/coach and had a Heisman QB for 2 of those years. That was not the same team that was playing in the Big12. If that 2012 team had been in the Big12, they might have made it to the BCS that year.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:04 pm to MOJO_ERASER
So I’m one of the few that thinks OU will be fine and a consistent top 5 sec team and competing for NC at the frequency of at least UGA, LSU or Auburn?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:04 pm to ChapelHillSooner
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We have idiots here saying we couldn't win half our games against Arkansas.
Well Hell - why didn't you just say so ? No wonder your arse is chapped.
See - in the SEC - you don't play all eight games against one team. You'll play eight different teams - or nine, if the schedule expands.
So I can assure you - there is no way you'll lose more than one game to Arkansas in any given year. Not even close to half your games in a season. And anybody that says any different is indeed an idiot. Tell 'em I said so !!!
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:06 pm to Jake81
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They had a both had a similar record in the Big 12, how is that a shock?
You think Missouri going from 8-5 to 5-7 is the same record? Missouri finished 9th in their first year.
A&M by contrast had a strong first year with the Manziel effect (11-2) but they quickly shite the bed for the rest of eternity until 2018 where they showed some signs of life again (based on records)
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:07 pm to MOJO_ERASER
It’s the grind of physical games that you will have to adjust too. Play Auburn, LSU, Bama and Florida or Georgia back to back. You lose starters and half of team is nursing injuries, and you can’t be up every week.
We think you aren’t tough enough. Just being honest.
We think you aren’t tough enough. Just being honest.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:07 pm to Walnut
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You think Missouri going from 8-5 to 5-7 is the same record? Missouri finished 9th in their first year.
A&M by contrast had a strong first year with the Manziel effect (11-2) but they quickly shite the bed for the rest of eternity until 2018 where they showed some signs of life again (based on records)
Did they not win the SEC East, twice?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:08 pm to ChapelHillSooner
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But that isn't what this thread is about. We have idiots here saying we couldn't win half our games against Arkansas. We have idiots here saying we need to bulk up our offensive line.
What do you think your record against Arkansas, tu, LSU, A&M, Mizzou, Ole Miss and State will be over the next decade?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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2 of your 3 Alabama wins were teams that went a combined 14-12. Plenty of SEC teams beat those 2.
Alabama had the best record in the SEC West in 2002. (Weren't eligible for the SEC championship game due to probation.). They went 10-3. Only losses were to OU (by 10), Georgia (by 2), and Auburn (by 10).
It wasn't a Nick Saban team but it certainly wasn't terrible.
Your 2003 team did suck though.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:09 pm to MOJO_ERASER
I think it would be a short list of non-trolling people here that genuinely don't think OU is a top 3 SEC school right now.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:10 pm to Jake81
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Was it a shock for aTm or Missouri?
Yep.
It’s taken years to completely purge the team of the B12 mindset and inculcate an SEC attitude into the entire roster.
It sounds obnoxious—and I vividly remember thinking that very thought 10 years ago.
Nothin’ to do but dive in.
Count me amongst those who are looking forward to OU’s future SEC affiliation.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:11 pm to ScoggDog
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Look - we're done here. You want to hear that you're going to own the league. That's not going to happen.
Nobody is claiming we will own the league nor are we looking to hear that.
There is a wide gulf between owning the league and what some here are saying.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:14 pm to Cdawg
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So I’m one of the few that thinks OU will be fine and a consistent top 5 sec team and competing for NC at the frequency of at least UGA, LSU or Auburn?
Nope, you are not alone. They're going to take to this league like a duck to water. But it will be an adjustment. They'll make it - Riley might be the best young mind in college football. But it will require a shift in roster on their part. They'll make the shift.
To win in the SEC - over three months - you have to build a hammer. Not a sword. In the Big12 - you needed a rapier. It's a different league.
You don't lose in Week Four against Kentucky or Tennessee on that Saturday alone. You lose because of all the damage you took leading up to that game over the first three weeks. That's what Oklahoma is going to have to adapt to.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:14 pm to Che Boludo
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I think it would be a short list of non-trolling people here that genuinely don't think OU is a top 3 SEC school right now.
Going by OU’s talent level they have Auburn-esque squad. They aren’t top 3. They are around 5th. They lost to Iowa State and Kansas State last year. They weren’t close too top 3.
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