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re: No More Student Athletes @ Private Schools?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:41 pm to MoarKilometers
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:41 pm to MoarKilometers
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A W appointee wrote the majority opinion in the O'Bannon case, and a Trump appointee authored the majority opinion in ncaa vs alston case... which i should point out was a 9-0 vote.
Lol dude get out of here with your facts. Anything this board doesn’t like is because “tHe lIbeRaLs dID tHiS!1!1!”
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Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:41 pm to lsufball19
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Do you root for any professional teams? If so, why?
No, and I would quit rooting for LSU, or even watching, in this situation.
This would kill the sport. The public and the players wildly underestimate the importance of the school connection.
Take that away, and it ends.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:44 pm to JayAg
If they’re separate from school, what’s the point?
I don’t watch minor league baseball for a reason.
I don’t watch minor league baseball for a reason.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:48 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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What are you? Some kind of communist? Why do you hate capitalism?
This has nothing to do with communism or capitalism. That’s just a lazy talking point.
If you are a person that wants to play football, there are many professional, true amateur, semi-pro and educational-related routes you can take.
Some pay, some don’t. It is not anti-capitalism for one of the many options to choose not to pay.
The player has a choice which route to take.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:55 pm to JayAg
It was just a matter of time it would happen since the Alston decision. The judges literally wrote in the decision that the "student-athlete" model was illegal.
“Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. … The NCAA is not above the law.”
NIL does not come from the universities and are essentially advertising payments unrelated to the job of playing football which college athletes are still not be paid a "fair" market rate in probably all but old time college football fans opinions.
“Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. … The NCAA is not above the law.”
NIL does not come from the universities and are essentially advertising payments unrelated to the job of playing football which college athletes are still not be paid a "fair" market rate in probably all but old time college football fans opinions.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Technically, there is only one option for football: college. For basketball, I’d argue, go to the G-League.
Now, if pro teams made their own football G league, and the best football players went there, hypothetically, I don’t know if I would be as excited about college ball.
I hate how the NFL just gets to watch all this chaos and it won’t trickle up to them, when they are forcing football players to go to school. Maybe the universities should have salaries for players subsidized by NFL money. Idk honestly
Now, if pro teams made their own football G league, and the best football players went there, hypothetically, I don’t know if I would be as excited about college ball.
I hate how the NFL just gets to watch all this chaos and it won’t trickle up to them, when they are forcing football players to go to school. Maybe the universities should have salaries for players subsidized by NFL money. Idk honestly
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:01 pm to Ftn49
The shite that ticks me off about the courts/system is Title IX crap that all the monies must be split. Are the courts understanding that every sport eats from the football cake? Football players aren’t going to make 6/7 figures playing college ball. Every athlete has to get a piece. Maybe I’m misunderstanding how it all works…it’s just a mess
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:15 pm to JayAg
I'm not of the opinion that the decision is good for all of college sports or will even make football a better sport. It's not and won't. But I am also of the opinion that the big business sports (mens football and to a lesser degree mens basketball) was exploitative and very much needed to change.
I dont really see any way how title ix and the new age of college athletics is going to have to be can coexist. Something will have to change there.
I dont really see any way how title ix and the new age of college athletics is going to have to be can coexist. Something will have to change there.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:22 pm to JayAg
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Technically, there is only one option for football: college. For basketball, I’d argue, go to the G-League.
This is completely incorrect and this line of thought further clouds the issue.
Are all the options equal? No. Some are glamorous, some are not. Some are billion dollar operations, some have zero money.
But they don’t have to be. You are caught up in what you think of as “good” or “best.”
There are dozens of professional football leagues in North America ranging from the NFL and the Canadian League, to various iterations of the XFL, USFL etc. There are semi-pro leagues, Arena football and others.
There are even more options on the academic side, with more than 15 collegiate athletic organizations in North America, such as the NCAA, NAIA, NJCAA and many others. They all have different rules and offer different benefits - or no benefits.
So, there are plenty of options and it’s a very competitive situation.
The fact is there has never been a successful minor league sports system in the United States.
College sports are successful due to the connection to the university.
Otherwise, why isn’t Caleb Williams playing in the USFL, XFL or CFL? He’s eligible for all three.
Why do more elite basketball players choose college over the G-League or international teams?
Because there is tangible value. That will end if it continues in the direction it is headed.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:25 pm to JayAg
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I hate how the NFL just gets to watch all this chaos and it won’t trickle up to them, when they are forcing football players to go to school.
Do you really believe this? How many college players not eligible for the NFL do you think would make a roster?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:31 pm to JayAg
frick this is would enable large blue chips to dominate with no disparity. They would pay players.
We have NIL. Transfer portal. There are negatives and positives but at least we have disparity. Let’s not turn it into a business like a pro team
We have NIL. Transfer portal. There are negatives and positives but at least we have disparity. Let’s not turn it into a business like a pro team
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:32 pm to JayAg
The NCAA and universities are essentially trying to run a minor league football league and cancel the laws of capitalism and constitutional free will in order to make money off these players. I couldn't be happier to see players have free will to make as much money as possible from their labor starting at 18 years old.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:36 pm to Shocco
Anyone who thinks that college athletes need to be paid needs to ask themselves why no minor league sports are successful in the United States (without heavy subsidies from the parent league)?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:42 pm to lowspark12
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If they’re separate from school, what’s the point?
Don’t kid yourself. They’ve been separate a long time. The guys out there aren’t playing for your school or its tradition. This is all about money and business.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:46 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Anyone who thinks that college athletes need to be paid needs to ask themselves why no minor league sports are successful in the United States (without heavy subsidies from the parent league)?
It’s a fair point, but who’s the last minor league manager you know was making $11.5m per guaranteed? TV $$$ drives this sport. And it’s long past time the talent deserves its cut. It may be the only way to finally establish some uniform rules too instead of this free for all disaster.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:46 pm to BevoBucks
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They’ve been separate a long time.
This is true, but they are still students and their is still a veil of connectivity.
They are students and many go to school and graduate.
But that connection is lessening and getting thinner by the year.
When it’s severed, that will be the end. College sports cannot survive separate from the university.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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When it’s severed, that will be the end.
I’m saying it’s already severed & everyone still watches. Making them W-2’s instead of 1099’s might actually help with the disconnect.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:50 pm to BevoBucks
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It’s a fair point, but who’s the last minor league manager you know was making $11.5m per guaranteed? TV $$$ drives this sport.
What’s the difference in the XFL and the SEC? It’s the connection to the university that makes college football. Not the talent.
Remove the top 500 players from college football tomorrow and nothing changes. Not attendance, not ratings, not money.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:52 pm to Uga Alum
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Yep, almost time to stop watching. If UGA wins this year at least we can go out on top.
LSU already won the last legitimate college football national title.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:53 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Let the NFL pay for their own developmental leagues. The reason CFB has a loyalty that the NFL doesn’t is because the fans have a materiel connection to the school. Either as alumni, family of alumni, or tax payers and citizens of a state. The NFL is fueled by TV, gambling, and corporate ticket purchases. Athletic depts are funded by boosters.
CFB is not invincible. It can be irreparably altered to the point of alienating your base and you end up with NASCAR which is a shell of itself.
CFB is not invincible. It can be irreparably altered to the point of alienating your base and you end up with NASCAR which is a shell of itself.
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