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re: Nick Saban to help groom minority coaches for head coaching gigs
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:56 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:56 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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When you tell the story, tell the whole damn story and not just the part that fits your bullshite agenda(
The whole story is he also physically attacked one of his own assistants as well. He’s damn lucky to have gotten a second chance.
I love Locksley. He seems to be a man of high character, but he’s very lucky a brief moment of bad decision making did not tank his career. His past is why I thought he would remain as Alabama’s OC for a while. Never expected a Power 5 program to give him a shot so soon.
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:57 am to tigerskin
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That reminds me, why couldn’t he get Bobby Williams a head coaching job again?
Because if something goes wrong, you blame Bobby.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:00 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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When you tell the story, tell the whole damn story and not just the part that fits your bullshite agenda(s)
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PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:02 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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To summarize, these situations are not the same, not even close
Not sure I agree. Big time football is extremely competitive. You’re not going to hire your BFF if you know there’s someone out there better.
More white guys are hired as coaches than black guys for a couple of reasons: 1) There’s more white guys than black guys in the population and 2) Most white guys don’t play big time football (and playing is the intro to coaching) due to otherworldly physical ability. Black guys are more frequently able to do that. White guys generally need intangibles to be a factor in a major college program. Therefore, white players are usually more cerebral and harder working and those qualities make them better coaches.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:05 pm to craigbiggio
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craigbiggio
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Go frick yourself idiot
I thought you died the other day, Harvey.
Getting this mad makes you look like the idiot.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:06 pm to RollTide1987
Serious question. How many SEC head coaches have lost black assistants to HC gigs? I know Auburn lost one to Muschamp for a Coordinator job.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:06 pm to Hogfan13
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% of Americans who are black = 13.4%
The league is 68% black tho. They're forsure wanting to see something at least in 20% range.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:08 pm to i am dan
frick you bitch
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:16 pm to Hogfan13
What's interesting is that when you look at the field and the benches of these teams no one bats an eyelash at the skewed percentages relative to the population. Ultimately, performance and talent level control (and that's the way it should be).
Why can't the same practice hold true for coaches and administration (and all other aspects of life)?
If a team passes on a more talented minority coach, then the team loses the benefit that that coach would have brought and gets to suffer with a less talented coach; and, another team gets the benefit.
Why can't the same practice hold true for coaches and administration (and all other aspects of life)?
If a team passes on a more talented minority coach, then the team loses the benefit that that coach would have brought and gets to suffer with a less talented coach; and, another team gets the benefit.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:17 pm to RollTide1987
seems a bit racist to me.
am i missing something?
should aTm be penalized for firing Sumlin?
was Texas HC Charlie Strong dismissed because of his skin color?
when will this racist divide end. this is just insane. a persons merit means nothing anymore. only the color of your skin.
am i missing something?
should aTm be penalized for firing Sumlin?
was Texas HC Charlie Strong dismissed because of his skin color?
when will this racist divide end. this is just insane. a persons merit means nothing anymore. only the color of your skin.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:26 pm to Auburn80
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Serious question. How many SEC head coaches have lost black assistants to HC gigs?
Alabama lost Locksley.
A few assistants to coordinator spots elsewhere.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:27 pm to RollTide1987
Proud that Coach Saban is a part of this. It speaks volumes that he was chosen.
He's the face of CFB, but also the fact that Locksley and others knows where Saban stands on this issue. Speaks to his integrity.
Also happy to see Alabama alum Ozzie Newsome part of this too.
Alabama folks helping lead the way.
He's the face of CFB, but also the fact that Locksley and others knows where Saban stands on this issue. Speaks to his integrity.
Also happy to see Alabama alum Ozzie Newsome part of this too.
Alabama folks helping lead the way.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:35 pm to s2
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seems a bit racist to me.
am i missing something?
should aTm be penalized for firing Sumlin?
was Texas HC Charlie Strong dismissed because of his skin color?
when will this racist divide end. this is just insane. a persons merit means nothing anymore. only the color of your skin
Harsh truth:
Charlie Strong got his HC shot later in his Coaching Career than a Kurby or Muschamp, and Strong had a similar DC Resume as both those guys and had to wait more years to get a UGA or UF level job
I'm not as familiar with Sumlin's path, I know he had success at Houston, let's see those 2 plus James Franklin, David Shaw, Taggart got his shot, you can almost name them off the Top of your head and not miss any, Lovie & Herm are at places where it's difficult to Recruit based on scant HS talent nearby, Vandy could be much better but their Admissions Office does Mason no favors
After all that, rarely does a Black HC get a prime job where there are fewer impediments to success than at most P5 jobs, would Frankin have gotten the Penn State gig if they weren't recovering from sandusky-gate?
Not trying to combative, but before you claim reverse racism, or any kind of racism, peel the layers of the Onion back and see what's there
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:37 pm to RollTide1987
Saban is a minority, he is a midget.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:39 pm to DatWood
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The league is 68% black tho.
AND?
You don't have to play to be a coach. You do have to have a degree though. So better stats would be:
what % of people with a degree in coaching are x race/color
what % of above (each race) are able to obtain an entry level position in their field
what are their success rates
what are their advancement rates
etc.
etc.
There are hundreds of variables baked in to this cake. I was tongue in cheek oversimplifying, because all the commie liberals love to start an argument with one BS stat that suits their needs (x amount of this vs x amount of that). That never even begins to tell the whole story, but it's all they need to start some new BS cause that further divides the country. Because guess what? The commie liberal idiots can't succeed in their mission unless they can divide all the idiots first. United idiots are much harder to control than divided idiots.
Just ask Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Lenin, Obama, or Nancy Pelosi.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:45 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Charlie Strong got his HC shot later in his Coaching Career than a Kurby or Muschamp, and Strong had a similar DC Resume as both those guys and had to wait more years to get a UGA or UF level job
It also depends on what coaching tree you are on. We have seen guys that many thought would never get a shot, or a second chance, get snatched up just because they spent a year under Saban.
Guys on the Meyer tree are viewed similarly. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Strong got his shot after being DC under Meyer at UF.
ADs can be very boring in their hires. They tend to stick with assistants associated with success elsewhere. It makes sense on a lot of levels, but it also reduces the coaching talent pool.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:51 pm to Hogfan13
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You don't have to play to be a coach. You do have to have a degree though. So better stats would be:
Bobby Dodd was a Tennessee dropout that never graduated from any college, and they still made him an Athl Director
College Athl Depts never gave a damn about a HC being a College Graduate as long as we had a segregated Society, they changed the Requirements after the Brown Decision striking down State Sponsored Segregation & discrimination, of course any white coaches were grandfathered in
This is the legacy of those in Power that have the decision making authority to hire HCs, I know those folks are no longer alive, I'm talking about the Institution of Power in the US
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:03 pm to Hogfan13
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For context, 3/32 = 9.4%
14/130 = 10.8%
% of Americans who are black = 13.4%
If you break it down to black males, they are actually over represented.
This whole thing is stupid and not based in reality. If Sylvester Croom can be the head coach of a school in Mississippi, don't tell me black coaches aren't getting enough opportunities today. Be better at your job.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:20 pm to cas4t
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Saban's main passion in coaching is recruiting.
I highly doubt it
Saban cares about winning, period. Actually, he has stated that he hates losing, more than he loves winning.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 1:25 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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Sure, just not at my school. You other guys emphasize race and we’ll go with whoever is the best coach.
Have an upvote. We have let the narratives on everything be about skin color. It's time to get back to hiring folks on their abilities and experience. Race should be irrelevant.
The NBA and NFL would loose their minds if teams had to have race demographics proportional representation.
Hire the best, recruit the best, play the best, color be damned.
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