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Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:19 pm to Govt Tide
Kirby is a great coach BUT, how would he do if just one program out of Tennessee or Florida had their Shiite together?
Saban had to face some damn good LSU, Auburn, and even TAMU teams during his run while Kirby has dealt with the weakest period of the East since the divisions started.
Saban had to face some damn good LSU, Auburn, and even TAMU teams during his run while Kirby has dealt with the weakest period of the East since the divisions started.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:23 pm to Ten Bears
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had their Shiite together?
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Saban had to face some damn good LSU, Auburn, and even TAMU teams
These 2 ideas dont jive at all. You are talking about some serious one hit wonder type programs.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:50 pm to Funky Tide 8
You are going to have to give me more than 
You want to compare schedules, then let's compare schedules.
In 2008 Florida and Georgia were highly ranked and Ole Miss was the first west team (not Alabama) at #14. The only west team ranked were Ole Miss and Alabama.
In 2009 it was Alabama at #1 and the next west team was LSU at #17.
Your first year you have a case would be 2010. Auburn at #1, LSU at #8, Arkansas AT #12. but then Alabama did not do well at #10. (relatively speaking)
In 2017 there was Alabama #1, Georgia #2 and Auburn (who we both play) at #10.
In 2018 we had Alabama at #2, LSU at #6 but Florida was at #7 and we played Florida and LSU that year. Kentucky was #12.
In 2019 LSU was #1 (we played them in the SECCG), Florida was #6,
Explain to me how Alabama's schedule was so much harder in those years and Georgia's was some piece of cake?
You want to compare schedules, then let's compare schedules.
In 2008 Florida and Georgia were highly ranked and Ole Miss was the first west team (not Alabama) at #14. The only west team ranked were Ole Miss and Alabama.
In 2009 it was Alabama at #1 and the next west team was LSU at #17.
Your first year you have a case would be 2010. Auburn at #1, LSU at #8, Arkansas AT #12. but then Alabama did not do well at #10. (relatively speaking)
In 2017 there was Alabama #1, Georgia #2 and Auburn (who we both play) at #10.
In 2018 we had Alabama at #2, LSU at #6 but Florida was at #7 and we played Florida and LSU that year. Kentucky was #12.
In 2019 LSU was #1 (we played them in the SECCG), Florida was #6,
Explain to me how Alabama's schedule was so much harder in those years and Georgia's was some piece of cake?
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:09 pm to Guess_who
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Kirby has the Dawgs rolling and imo will be in the conversation with Saban when he decides to hang it up but these records or comparisons are just stupid. The east has been a total shite show for years. They've had literally no push back to tend with. Let's see how many championships he has after 15 years
Describing the SEC East as a total shitshow is overly harsh but I do think it's fair to say the SEC West has been considerably better the last 10 years with Florida and Tennessee (until last season) being down.
Just for fun I did a deep dive to compare Alabama's regular season schedules from 2008-2014 to Georgia's regular season schedules from 2017-2023 looking at the number of ranked opponents each team played and the opponent's ranking at the time they played as well as the number of true road games each team played against ranked opponents during each of the 7 respective season periods described in the OP. I didn't include the 2 road games Georgia played against during the 2020 season in the true road games aginst ranked opponents numbers because both stadiums were at 19% of their attendance capacity due to Covid. Here are the numbers:
Alabama played 36 ranked opponents from the 2008 thru the 2014 season with 14 of those being true road games:
2008 Alabama season:
#2 Florida (neutral)
@ #3 Georgia
#9 Clemson (neutral)
@ #15 LSU
2009 Alabama season:
#1 Florida (neutral)
#7 Virginia Tech (neutral)
#9 LSU
@ #20 Ole Miss
#22 South Carolina
2010 Alabama season:
#2 Auburn
#7 Florida
@ #10 Arkansas
@ #10 LSU
#18 Penn State
@ #19 South Carolina
#19 Mississippi State
2011 Alabama season:
#1 LSU
@ #12 Florida
#14 Arkansas
@ #23 Penn State
#24 Auburn
2012 Alabama season:
#3 Georgia ("neutral")
@ #5 LSU
#8 Michigan (neutral)
#11 Mississippi State
#15 Texas A&M
2013 Alabama season:
@ #4 Auburn
@ #6 Texas A&M
#13 LSU
#21 Ole Miss
2014 Alabama season:
#1 Mississippi State
@ #11 Ole Miss
#15 Auburn
@ #16 LSU
#16 Missouri (neutral)
#21 Texas A&M
Georgia played 31 ranked opponents from the 2017 thru the current 2023 season with 8 of those being true road games:
2017 Georgia season:
#2 Auburn ("neutral")
@ #10 Auburn
#17 Mississippi State
@ #24 Notre Dame
2018 Georgia season:
#1 Alabama ("neutral")
#9 Florida (neutral)
@ #9 Kentucky
@ #13 LSU
@ #24 South Carolina
#24 Auburn
2019 Georgia season:
#2 LSU ("neutral")
#6 Florida (neutral)
#7 Notre Dame
@ #12 Auburn
2020 Georgia season:
@ #2 Alabama
#7 Auburn
#8 Florida (neutral)
#14 Tennessee
@ #25 Missouri
2021 Georgia season:
#3 Alabama ("neutral")
#3 Clemson (neutral)
#8 Arkansas
#11 Kentucky
@ #18 Auburn
2022 Georgia season:
#1 Tennessee
#11 Oregon ("neutral")
#14 LSU ("neutral")
2023 Georgia season:
#9 Ole Miss
#12 Missouri
@ #18 Tennessee
#20 Kentucky
It is interesting to note that of Alabama's 6 regular season SEC losses from 2017 to 2023 only 1 of those 6 losses was to an SEC East team while 6 of Georgia's 8 SEC regular season or SEC title game losses were to SEC West teams over the same time span.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:14 pm to Govt Tide
In 2008-2014 you could go undefeated in the season and win one bowl game to be undefeated for the year. Now a P5 has to go undefeated in the season, win a conference championship, and beat two of the top 4 teams in the nation to be undefeated for the year. Big difference.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:24 pm to Govt Tide
Think about what you’re doing here. You’re comparing the record of an experienced head coach who had already won a national championship at an SEC program who took over the historic top program in the history of college football …
To someone getting his first shot as a head coach at Georgia.
And it’s a really good comparison. That alone says everything you need to know about how good a coach Smart has been.
To someone getting his first shot as a head coach at Georgia.
And it’s a really good comparison. That alone says everything you need to know about how good a coach Smart has been.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:27 pm to Govt Tide
Why are you leaving off the playoffs?
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:30 pm to Govt Tide
Not only are you ignoring playoffs, but you are ignoring AP ranked opponents.
2022 @ south carolina #23
2022 @ miss st #20
Your post is shite.
Your point is shite.
Do better
2022 @ south carolina #23
2022 @ miss st #20
Your post is shite.
Your point is shite.
Do better
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:36 pm to HighTide_ATL
A few things that Bama fans forget when comparing these two:
1) Kirby was a HUGE part of Nick’s dynasty. Top assistant and alpha recruiter.
2) Kirby’s success came while Nick’s program was up and running at full strength. Nick had no real equal on the stage. Urban was good but he wasn’t a consistent force.
1) Kirby was a HUGE part of Nick’s dynasty. Top assistant and alpha recruiter.
2) Kirby’s success came while Nick’s program was up and running at full strength. Nick had no real equal on the stage. Urban was good but he wasn’t a consistent force.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:39 pm to Daniel Simpson Day
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Bama was 10-2 in '05 and was in the top 10 in regular season. I love how gumps act like he took over a terrible situation
That season was sandwiched between 6 win seasons. 2023 auburn is a 6 win team, in case we weren't sure if calling 6 wins a terrible situation was accurate.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:40 pm to HammerSlammer
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In 2008-2014 you could go undefeated in the season and win one bowl game to be undefeated for the year. Now a P5 has to go undefeated in the season, win a conference championship, and beat two of the top 4 teams in the nation to be undefeated for the year. Big difference.
I'm not making an argument or judgement about which time period is/was more difficult to go undefeated and win a national championship which is why I didn't include pre playoff national championship games or current national championship playoff games in my list of ranked opponents for each team. I was simply showing the ranked teams each team played during the regular season/conference title game over each of the two respective 7 season time spans to give further perspective to the win/loss records I posted for each coach in my OP.
I'm not in any way trying to diminish what Kirby has done from 2017 to now. In fact, he's on pace to match or exceed a run of dominance that I didn't think I'd ever see again which speaks to how incredibly the run he has been on these last 7 seasons. I just found the two time spans (Saban 2008-2014 and Smart 2017-2023) remarkably similar which is why I decided to compare the two.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:49 pm to Govt Tide
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Just for fun I did a deep dive to compare Alabama's regular season schedules from 2008-2014 to Georgia's regular season schedules from 2017-2023 looking at the number of ranked opponents each team played and the opponent's ranking at the time they played
Thats where you screwed up. Focus on end of season ranking, or else you got people thinking you beat a top 10 UF team. that UF team sucked arse.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:51 pm to Govt Tide
Thats like $70 million versus $130 million for buying players
No other difference
and each of them should consider themselves as nothing but cheats
No other difference
and each of them should consider themselves as nothing but cheats
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:16 am to Vulcan Materials
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Kirby and Saban have a lesser version of the Switzer-Osborne dynamic.
Osborne nor Switzer ever played more than one team a season with a pulse until they played a single solitary bowl game against the second team with a pulse they faced all season. Neither was a coach in the same league as Saban. Smart may be better than Saban but it’s highly unlikely he will coach more than about 15 years or so given the grind that is HCing in the era of the portal, NIL, conference championships and multiple playoff games against good teams required to win a natty today.
If you look at the way Osborne and Switzer won nattys any natty won in the CFP era is equivalent to winning at least 2 if not 3 post season games that would have passed for national championship games in their time. Either may have won a natty but neither ever won 3 games in a season against teams with a pulse.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:22 am to Funky Tide 8
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But let's not ignore the fact that all 3 of UGA's biggest rivals have been in the gutter the last 3 years, and really no east team outside of UT last year and Mizzou this year has really been worth a shite either. Their west opponents outside of AU have been Mississippi State, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Those are the facts.
One could argue that they also played a third shitty SEC West team in each of the preceding 2 seasons and will play one in a few weeks. That would be as inane an argument as the “they ain’t played nobody Pawl” argument made above…UGA has played everyone on their schedule plus another team from the west and 2 playoff teams and has lost once in that time. Who in the frick would they have played that would’ve been somebody, Pawl???
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:30 am to DawgsLife
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Maybe, but it is factually correct. his main point was that it is still relatively early in Kirby's career compared to Saban. Saban has been at Alabama for something like 15 years and Kirby at Georgia for 7 years? If Kirby keeps it up he might pass Saban, but it is still early.
Saban had been HC for MANY years before winning a natty. Smart almost won one in his second year as HC anywhere in an Era where he had to play 3 very good opponents AFTER the regular season. Smart did win one in his 6th and 7th season and is close to winning one in his 8th. Saban had years as a HC before doing what Smart has done.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:40 am to GoldenDawg
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:11 am to AwgustaDawg
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Smart almost won one in his second year as HC anywhere
It’s almost like he got a front row seat on how to HC from the best to ever do it, then went to one of the easiest programs to succeed at
Dude did a great job biding his time and pouncing on a good situation. Does make me wonder if he could do the same coming into a place in bad shape though
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:16 am to HighTide_ATL
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It’s almost like he got a front row seat on how to HC from the best to ever do it, then went to one of the easiest programs to succeed at
Continue the story..
He then proceeded to win more games in a row than anyone else ever had in the SEC, rattle off 3 8-0 SEC seasons in a row (something never done before), and win back to back NCs with possibility of a third.
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