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Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:32 pm to djsdawg
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The benefit of:
4 DC years under bill b + 5 HC years at MSU + 5 HC years at LSU + 2 NFL HC years
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8 DC years under saban.
By a lot.
Due to jumping between college and NFL, and no college version of himself for Nick to just photo-copy his college approach from, I disagree
Saban had to figure out how to succeed at the college level with trial and error. Kirby got to just watch what Saban did and copy/paste it at a program in better shape than what Saban received at Bama
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2006 was not far from 10 wins, just like uga 2015 wasn’t far from 6 wins.
What’s your point here. 6+4 = 10?
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They are MUCH closer than you are willing to admit.
Clemson has 4 less wins than UGA…I guess they’re not that far from UGA’s success as well lol
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:40 pm to HighTide_ATL
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no college version of himself
Saban isn't an island nor is he the first college coach to have considerable success. Everyone comes from somewhere and in time makes their own legacy.
Bama has the biggest and best history in CFB as you Bammers love to remind us. And I agree as as a neutral fan. Saban wasn't coaching at Troy let's get real here.
This whole thread is turning into dick measuring minutia based on overly subjective criteria
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:43 pm to Govt Tide
Best thing saban did was quit on the Dolphins.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 2:17 pm to HighTide_ATL
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And all he had to do was coach under Saban for 8 years and copy vast amounts of his approach to do it. I’ve already explained all this.
Be specific. Exactly what unique thing did Saban do that no other coach did?
Like I have pointed out, Saban was transitioning to a pass first offense, yet Kirby stuck with run first. After Georgia won two straight, all of a sudden Saban has decided to transition back to run first. Now Kirby is throwing more than ever before. It's only a matter of time before Saban goes back to throwing more.
You know this is the truth.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 2:43 pm to DawgsLife
Saban ultimately chose Alabama because he's a mercenary. Alabama is the easiest college football program in the country to recruit for and win at. Saban chose Alabama for that reason and it's worked for him and for Alabama.
Smart went to Georgia because he and his wife are alums. He loves the school and wants to turn Georgia football into the best college football program the country has ever seen. He's not there yet, but he's gotten a great start.
Saban is the greatest coach in college football history and he has proven it. Smart's reclamation effort at Georgia, however, is a much tougher job than Saban going to the best program in the history of college football and maintaining it that way.
Smart went to Georgia because he and his wife are alums. He loves the school and wants to turn Georgia football into the best college football program the country has ever seen. He's not there yet, but he's gotten a great start.
Saban is the greatest coach in college football history and he has proven it. Smart's reclamation effort at Georgia, however, is a much tougher job than Saban going to the best program in the history of college football and maintaining it that way.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:03 pm to HighTide_ATL
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no college version of himself for Nick to just photo-copy his college approach from, I disagree
Your take is absurd:
He had his own 5 year MSU college version to learn from.
He had his own 5 year LSU college version to learn from.
He also had his own 2 year Miami NFL version to learn from.
Add it up, That’s 12 years of HC experience to learn from, which is far more than the 0 Kirby had.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:07 pm to HighTide_ATL
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What’s your point here. 6+4 = 10?
Change 2 coin flip games from each team and you get 8-4 for both.
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Clemson has 4 less wins than UGA…I guess they’re not that far from UGA’s success as well lol
Not as crazy as you think it is as Clemson 23 is a huge underachiever who should be no less than 10-1 right now.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:17 pm to BigBadBoodieDaddy
From time to
Time? What have you been drinking lol. Kirby has 1 win against Saban. Aside from that
Bama has Dominated
Georgia & it's not debatable.
LINK
Time? What have you been drinking lol. Kirby has 1 win against Saban. Aside from that
Bama has Dominated
Georgia & it's not debatable.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:35 pm to RT58
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Kirby has 1 win against Saban.
True, but a little deceptive. Georgia would have played Alabama last year, but Alabama wasn't good enough. Had they been good enough, they likely would have lost worse than LSU did and would currently be 0-2 the last two times Saban met Smart.
This year, Alabama is good enough to play Georgia, so we'll see.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:52 pm to GoldenDawg
The ONLY team to dominate Saban without mercy during his tenure at Bama was Clemson. Not in this lifetime could GA have beaten Bama by 50 points in ANY year.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:58 pm to RT58
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The ONLY team to dominate Saban without mercy during his tenure at Bama was Clemson. Not in this lifetime could GA have beaten Bama by 50 points in ANY year.
Kind of dodged the point there, sport.
The point being, that Alabama is not currently 0-2 against Georgia because Alabama wasn't good enough last year to play us in the SEC Championship game. If they were, they would have had the beating LSU received.
As to no one could dominate Alabama like Clemson did, please take another look at last year's National Championship game. Georgia won by a greater margin than any team has ever won in the history of every bowl game ever played.
THAT is what Alabama was fortunate enough to dodge last year, simply because you weren't good enough to play us. Congrats.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 5:11 pm to HighTide_ATL
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Saban got a Bama team that had gone 26-24 in the past 4 seasons and was about to get hit with a textbook scandal from the previous coach's watch
And he’s done it at 2 schools, 90’s LSU was garbage. Saban rebuilt 2 programs, winning a national title within 4 years at both schools. Kirby could pass him, but right now, Saban is years ahead. It’s like the Patrick Mahomes over Tom Brady debate, sure Mahomes can pass his legacy and stats, but right now, he’s nowhere near.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 11/23/23 at 5:51 pm to ImJustaBoy
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Saban is years ahead.
8 or so years ahead, right?
Posted on 11/23/23 at 6:37 pm to GoldenDawg
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Smart went to Georgia because he and his wife are alums. He loves the school and wants to turn Georgia football into the best college football program the country has ever seen.
Bahahaha! Fans always want the players and coaches to love the program as much as they do. It’s funny. That’s why everyone hates NIL. Players are even bigger mercenaries than they were before when there was just the NFL.
The reason Kirby is at UGA is because it was a job with prime resources. The reason UGA hired him is because he was an accomplished assistant mentored by the best in the business.
If UGA were a second tier program, Kirby would be elsewhere. If Kirby stunk it up as DC at Bama, UGA wouldn’t have hired him.
There’s too much money in CFB for anyone to be sentimental. It is a nice story when the stars align and an alumnus comes home to be successful, but the coach and the program have to be on the same level and maintain an equal dynamic. When an imbalance develops, someone is moving on to greener pastures or getting fired. When the chips are down and someone thinks they have better options and can level up, no one gives a frick about their alma mater or who’s an alumnus.
There’s no better college job for Kirby to take, and there’s no better coach for UGA to get. Therefore, the marriage lasts. That’s all there is to it.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:26 pm to Globetrotter747
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There’s no better college job for Kirby to take, and there’s no better coach for UGA to get. Therefore, the marriage lasts. That’s all there is to it.
Yeah. Athens and UGA have nothing to do with the last 4 prior head coaches all living there.
Muschamp (who really could have taken any job) choosing to work at UGA.
Bobo (who really could have taken any analyst job) choosing to work at UGA.
Brian McClendon, Todd Hartley, and Kirby Smart all coaching at their Alma mater.
You are correct.
UGA hired Kirby because we didn't want him coaching against us at South Carolina.
But there is an attraction to coaching in Athens.
It's different.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:00 pm to meansonny
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But there is an attraction to coaching in Athens. It's different.
Bahahaha! Yeah, it’s called coaching the best talent in CFB and making a top end salary doing it.
Delusional.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:10 pm to Globetrotter747
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Bahahaha! Yeah, it’s called coaching the best talent in CFB and making a top end salary doing it.
Delusional.
The salary isn't why coaches who coached in Athens retire in Athens. Jim Donnan, Mark Richt and Ray Goff all chose to retire in Athens. None of them were from there originally. Vince Dooley stayed in Athens until his death as well.
Athens is in fact an awesome place.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:59 am to Globetrotter747
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But there is an attraction to coaching in Athens. It's different.
Bahahaha! Yeah, it’s called coaching the best talent in CFB and making a top end salary doing it.
Delusional.
Dooley stayed in Athens.
Goff stayed in Athens.
Donnan stayed in Athens.
Richt stayed in Athens.
Where do you think Smart will live when he retires?
South Carolina and Florida are paying Boom not to coach. Where does he go?
Auburn was paying Bobo not to coach. Where does he go?
If you haven't picked up on it by now, you are in denial and you may never get there. But that has zero to do with Athens and everything to do with you.
Now if you want to list off your last 5 head football coaches and their lifestyle choices as a counter-argument, I'm here for it.
Teach me something.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:07 am to djsdawg
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Add it up, That’s 12 years of HC experience to learn from, which is far more than the 0 Kirby had.
Ultimately it really depends on what lessons were most critical to the success for Saban and Kirby.
If it was recruiting, then 8 years being under Saban trumps being a HC at lesser programs.
If it's X's and O's, then being a HC at smaller programs trumps being a coordinator for 8 years prior.
I think we can all agree that Georgia owes no small amount of their success to recruiting, and Smart learned a lot of that under Saban. Saban didn't learn recruiting at this tier from any other coaches; hell, I don't know if recruiting at this tier existed at a school prior to Saban... maybe Florida under Spurrier or FSU giving away shoes. No clue.
I'm not trying to take anything away from either coach; however, I think the "learned from so-and-so vs coached on their own at the HC level" takes on different levels of importance when you think about which was most critical for the success of the program.
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