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re: Nick Saban (2008-2014) vs Kirby Smart (2017-2023)
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:13 pm to Govt Tide
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:13 pm to Govt Tide
Saban has done a job at Alabama that is clearly other-worldly. Phenomenal.
Kirby learned well from his teacher and is doing very well, too. Appreciate the stat-comparison.
Kirby learned well from his teacher and is doing very well, too. Appreciate the stat-comparison.
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:14 pm to Funky Tide 8
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But let's not ignore the fact that all 3 of UGA's rivals have been in the gutter the last 3 years,
No one ignores it.
Who do you think put them in the gutter?
You don't think the rise of Bama coinciding with the worst 2 decades of Tennessee football is a coincidence?
When one team dominates, all of the rivals turn to shite.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:17 pm to WG_Dawg
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Recent history has really warped people's minds as it relates to 2016 UGA. Much like Saban in 2007, that first year was more about kicking out the garbage, cutting the fat, dismissing the troublemakers, and creating a culture that would get leaders to buy into. That 2016 squad he inherited barely even resembled the one of justs 12 months later in 2017.
Well said, WG.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:19 pm to Govt Tide
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Never thought I'd see another coach duplicate Saban's 2008-2023 but Kirby is on pace to duplicate or exceed Saban's run.
It's tough to go for as long as Saban has. I don't see it happening especially with the changes going on in football.
Maybe Kirby can do it, but I will believe it when it happens.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:20 pm to Crimson_Chaos
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Kirby has done a fantastic job at UGA, and in a short amount of time. I'm not saying UGA won't continue to be successful... but pump the brakes. The most impressive thing about Saban's tensure is the longevity of sustained excellance. As you mentioned, Kirby has a ways to go, but definitely a good start
Not sure why your post got so many down votes. It is spot on and you've pretty much proven to be a fair poster.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:23 pm to Rabern57
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Kirby is just proving it just takes buying alot of 5*s and playing a weak schedule to be deemed the GOAT. He will be til the next HC comes around with that same situation and they will be the GOAT.
Damn, the past 15 years in college football have to be rough to be an Auburn fan. I love this downplaying of how good Kirby has been, because what else can you do if you're a fan of the Barn? Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:24 pm to BigBadBoodieDaddy
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What those two have done is remarkable though.
It is, and while I know it's extremely hard not to compare the two (for numerous reasons), I wish that people would not and just appreciate what both have, are, and will continue to accomplish.
Both are fricking amazing, and we are watching it in real time.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:25 pm to DawgsLife
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Not sure why your post got so many down votes. It is spot on and you've pretty much proven to be a fair poster.
Probably leading off with any 1-0 coach would be on pace to pass Saban
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:29 pm to Govt Tide
I live the stats.. and hope it happens..
However it’s a different time.. Saban was able to hoard talent and dominate on the field with said talent and depth.
Today, playoff expansion, NIL, realignment, and the portal; will make it extremely difficult for anyone to duplicate Saban’s entire run at Bama.
UGAs current success is amazing; however the era of having football dynasties is over imo. IF and it’s a big IF UGA 3 peats this year; it maybe the last time we ever see a repeat national champion.
However it’s a different time.. Saban was able to hoard talent and dominate on the field with said talent and depth.
Today, playoff expansion, NIL, realignment, and the portal; will make it extremely difficult for anyone to duplicate Saban’s entire run at Bama.
UGAs current success is amazing; however the era of having football dynasties is over imo. IF and it’s a big IF UGA 3 peats this year; it maybe the last time we ever see a repeat national champion.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:30 pm to Crimson_Chaos
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Kirby has done a fantastic job at UGA, and in a short amount of time. I'm not saying UGA won't continue to be successful... but pump the brakes. The most impressive thing about Saban's tensure is the longevity of sustained excellance. As you mentioned, Kirby has a ways to go, but definitely a good start
I bet you didn’t downplay saban at the point in this comparison.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:31 pm to HighTide_ATL
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but given the state of each program when they took over, hard to not to say Saban's is more impressive
The gap between the Inherited programs was much closer than you are willing to admit.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:33 pm to Funky Tide 8
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But let's not ignore the fact that all 3 of UGA's biggest rivals have been in the gutter the last 3 years
You mean like Auburn, LSU and Tennessee?
quote:Remind us who is really, really tough in the West again? Ole Miss?
and really no east team outside of UT last year and Mizzou this year has really been worth a shite either.
As for last year... you mean the Tennessee team we bat and the team that beat Alabama?
quote:And yet we beat LSU (that beat Alabama.) And Tennessee beat LSU and Alabama, so maybe the east was the stronger division last year?
Their west opponents outside of AU have been Mississippi State, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Those are the facts.
Missouri is tougher than any team out of the west, and Tennessee would be considered as tough as the #3 team from the West. Those are facts.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:40 pm to DawgsLife
I am a little more impressed with Kirby’s quick build and success at UGA.
Saban had the ESPN hype machine marketing his team before he even got on campus. I really feel ESPN and the Saban hype helped generate buzz and make it easy for him to turn it around.
Saban had the ESPN hype machine marketing his team before he even got on campus. I really feel ESPN and the Saban hype helped generate buzz and make it easy for him to turn it around.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:49 pm to jchamil
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Probably leading off with any 1-0 coach would be on pace to pass Saban
Maybe, but it is factually correct. his main point was that it is still relatively early in Kirby's career compared to Saban. Saban has been at Alabama for something like 15 years and Kirby at Georgia for 7 years?
If Kirby keeps it up he might pass Saban, but it is still early.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:22 pm to Govt Tide
I'll be honest, I didn't know Kirby was so close to Saban in terms of the start of their careers at Bama vs UGA. If UGA wins out Smart would have the same number of SEC titles, national titles and a slightly better record.
While we know that doesn't mean Smart will follow the same path as Saban, it's still damn impressive to start out in the same ballpark.
While we know that doesn't mean Smart will follow the same path as Saban, it's still damn impressive to start out in the same ballpark.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:22 pm to DawgsLife
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But let's not ignore the fact that all 3 of UGA's biggest rivals have been in the gutter the last 3 years
You mean like Auburn, LSU and Tennessee?
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and really no east team outside of UT last year and Mizzou this year has really been worth a shite either.
Remind us who is really, really tough in the West again? Ole Miss?
As for last year... you mean the Tennessee team we bat and the team that beat Alabama?
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Their west opponents outside of AU have been Mississippi State, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. Those are the facts.
And yet we beat LSU (that beat Alabama.) And Tennessee beat LSU and Alabama, so maybe the east was the stronger division last year?
Missouri is tougher than any team out of the west, and Tennessee would be considered as tough as the #3 team from the West. Those are facts.
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Nick Saban (2008-2014) vs Kirby Smart (2017-2023)
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:32 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Not only that, they always fail to mention that Bama's top in state recruits, while nowhere near Georgia's, have multiplied leaps and bounds. And that started happening right before Saban took the job and has continued since he's been there.
Alabama is not Wisconsin.
Alabama is not Wisconsin.
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It's a damn good thing for UGA that the NCAA mandates that high school kids have to stay in state. This is always such a retarded take.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:45 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I am a little more impressed with Kirby’s quick build and success at UGA.
Saban had the ESPN hype machine marketing his team before he even got on campus. I really feel ESPN and the Saban hype helped generate buzz and make it easy for him to turn it around.
With all due respect, that's not the way I remember it at all. When Alabama hired Saban all ESPN and a lot of talking heads could talk about was what a coward and scumbag Saban was for ditching the Miami Dolphins for leaving them high and dry and how insane Alabama was for giving Saban an 8 year, $32 million dollar fully guaranteed contract. I even remember some talking heads doubting if Saban would ever win a national championship at Alabama. Granted, the narrative changed and the hype train certainly took off after Saban won 3 national titles in a 4 year span but prior to that 4 year run of dominance there were a lot of Saban doubters at ESPN and other reporters covering the sport at the time. Alabama won 6 games the year prior to Saban taking over so it was easily as big if not more of a rebuild for Saban as it was for Smart at Georgia. There was no ESPN hype for Saban in 2007.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:49 pm to Govt Tide
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Saban had the ESPN hype machine marketing his team before he even got on campus. I really feel ESPN and the Saban hype helped generate buzz and make it easy for him to turn it around.
Yea that's not even close to true. Saban's first 18 months at Alabama were a combination of:
- "he's a liar and a scumbag, who would ever send their kid there"
- "he's going to bolt within 3 years for another job anyway"
- "LOL what a waste a money, the guy lost 6 games and lost to ULM"
- "Saban is going to lose 3 games a year most years, look at LSU"
Not until the #1 class, Clemson drubbing and the win in Athens did anybody in the national media start mentioning Alabama as possibly being in the same conversation with Florida and LSU in the near future. There were a whole lot of national media types - mainly those who weren't really college football people and looked at everything from a professional sports point of view - who despised him. And unlike today, those people were the main figures in sports media (pre-twitter, pre-streaming). Kornheiser, Wilbon, Plaschke, Lebatard, etc.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:55 pm to Govt Tide
Kirby has the Dawgs rolling and imo will be in the conversation with Saban when he decides to hang it up but these records or comparisons are just stupid. The east has been a total shite show for years. They've had literally no push back to tend with. Let's see how many championships he has after 15 years
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