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re: Lane- on why he left-More 5 star recruits than in 6 yrs at other place
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:11 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:11 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I am, prove me wrong.
Old era —> New era:
No NIL —> NIL deals and athlete compensation
* No direct player payments ? Revenue sharing with athletes
* No transfer portal ? Year-round player movement
* No free movement ? Immediate transfer eligibility
* Stable rosters ? Annual roster rebuilds
* Signing Day was everything ? Transfer portal season is just as important
* High school recruiting dominated ? Portal recruiting is equally or more important
* No NIL collectives ? Booster-funded collectives
* Limited booster involvement ? Boosters help fund player compensation
* Four-year player development ? “Win now” roster building
* No college general managers ? GMs and personnel departments
* No roster budgeting ? Revenue-sharing and salary cap-style planning
* Limited player leverage ? Players have significant bargaining power
* Small schools kept stars ? Top talent transfers to bigger programs
* Conferences were stable ? Massive conference realignment
* Regional conferences ? Coast-to-coast super conferences
* Traditional rivalries ? New conference schedules and rivalries
* Four-team College Football Playoff ? Twelve-team playoff
* Conference titles were everything ? Multiple teams from one conference can make the CFP
* NCAA had stronger control ? Courts have reshaped college athletics
* Amateur model ? Professional-style business model
* Simple recruiting calendars ? Year-round roster management
* Few player agents ? Agents are common
* Limited tampering concerns ? Tampering is a constant occurrence
* Players rarely left early ? Annual portal entries after every season
I can keep going if you want me to.
This post was edited on 7/23/26 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:14 pm to m2pro
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I do think, however, that we were capable of giving him a greater ride to greater heights under the old ways.
How so? I mean I know y'all were close to landing Tebow that one year, but what could y'all have offered him then compared to LSU that would have led to these greater heights?
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:15 pm to BearRebelShark
Again, I said sure, things have changed, but not as much as some want to believe they have.
Indiana is pointed to as the indicator of change, was it just the change or is it Cignetti? No way to know, we'll see going forward.
Indiana is pointed to as the indicator of change, was it just the change or is it Cignetti? No way to know, we'll see going forward.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
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What quantifiable resource could Alabama offer Saban in 2007 that LSU couldn't?
That's an answer I wanna know myself, knowing the context we're operating in pre-Saban Alabama era
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Indiana is pointed to as the indicator of change, was it just the change or is it Cignetti? No way to know, we'll see going forward.
Go look at how many players on that roster are transfer portal players and get back to me.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:17 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Indiana is pointed to as the indicator of change, was it just the change or is it Cignetti? No way to know, we'll see going forward.
Let's also not forget Indiana wasn't as beat up as the competition in the playoff due to their arguably easier schedule
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:20 pm to BearRebelShark
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Go look at how many players on that roster are transfer portal players and get back to me.
That's a simplistic take. LSU took a ton of portal players, most higher ranked than Indiana's guys, and they didn't win a natty.
The portal itself isn't the reason for Indiana's success.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:22 pm to Covingtontiger77
I believe what he is saying is that the
grift in Louisiana and the over importance of football in relation to what is really matters will help him achieve
his goals.
grift in Louisiana and the over importance of football in relation to what is really matters will help him achieve
his goals.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
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That's a simplistic take. LSU took a ton of portal players, most higher ranked than Indiana's guys, and they didn't win a natty. The portal itself isn't the reason for Indiana's success.
You are proving my point. LSU spent top 3 money in the sec last year and sucked. Indiana spent money smartly last year and won a championship. Indiana is historically one of the worst, if not the worst power programs in the country. You are telling me they had similar chances to win a championship in the previous era? That’s insane if so.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:40 pm to Gen Patton
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Did Nick Saban say that or did Lane say that's what Saban said? Big difference.
Nick has never refuted it so yes he did say that when Lane engaged him for advice as did Pete Carroll
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Is LSU actually a better job than UGA, Texas, OSU, Alabama? No it is not.
LSU literally just had the most signees for Nike endorsements of all the programs in the country and it was by a big margin, they had the first offensive lineman signee with Nike ever, AND obviously more 5-star recruit commitments here in less than a year than at that other place in 6 years
sorry bro
bro? Ok, I'm going to assume I'm getting into an argument with a 14 year old. Assuming anything Lane Kiffin says is factual is taking a huge leap of faith on your part. Nick Saban doesn't have to refute it because he knows only LSU fans would actually believe it so why even address it.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:40 pm to rebsfan10
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Nick Saban doesn't have to refute it because he knows only LSU fans would actually believe it so why even address it.
Convenient excuse.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:42 pm to BearRebelShark
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You are proving my point. LSU spent top 3 money in the sec last year and sucked. Indiana spent money smartly last year and won a championship. Indiana is historically one of the worst, if not the worst power programs in the country. You are telling me they had similar chances to win a championship in the previous era? That’s insane if so.
So is the change primarily the cause or Cignetti and his staff?
Posted on 7/23/26 at 5:48 pm to Covingtontiger77
I don’t like hyperbole but Kiffin just dropped a fricking nuke on Hiroshima Mississippi.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:05 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So is the change primarily the cause or Cignetti and his staff?
The change is primarily responsible for a great coach like Cignetti to be able to win a championship at Indiana (freaking Indiana man). Vandy went 10-2. Texas Tech has been rolling. Missouri has too. We know what NIL allowed Kiffin to do at Ole Miss. Look at historically solid programs like Florida, Auburn, Florida State- all of which have been below average in this era (minus the big season Florida state had a few years ago).
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:11 pm to BearRebelShark
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Vandy went 10-2. Texas Tech has been rolling. Missouri has too.
This isn't the first time those programs have had good teams, Franklin won 9 games back-to-back at Vandy, for instance.
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We know what NIL allowed Kiffin to do at Ole Miss.
Sure, no doubt. Kiffin was at the forefront of NIL and handled it well, some coaches didn't. But let's also be honest and say that Ole Miss has had some pretty weak schedules as well. One of the things that worries me about Kiffin.
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Look at historically solid programs like Florida, Auburn, Florida State- all of which have been below average in this era (minus the big season Florida state had a few years ago).
The inverse of what I said above, those programs have had bad years before too, that isn't new.
I think NIL/the portal changed things to some extent, especially in the short term. I don't think it created a world where schools like Mizzou or Texas Tech are suddenly national powers more often than not.
The big dogs were big dogs because they spent more and have certain advantages. That isn't going away long term.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:14 pm to BearRebelShark
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Its a new era (has been since 2020). None of the stuff you just mentioned matters if you aren't spending money *smartly*.
So did lane and glasscock forget something in the last 7 months?
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:18 pm to BearRebelShark
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Back to top quote: I am, prove me wrong.
Old era —> New era: No NIL —> NIL deals and athlete compensation * No direct player payments ? Revenue sharing with athletes * No transfer portal ? Year-round player movement * No free movement ? Immediate transfer eligibility * Stable rosters ? Annual roster rebuilds * Signing Day was everything ? Transfer portal season is just as important * High school recruiting dominated ? Portal recruiting is equally or more important * No NIL collectives ? Booster-funded collectives * Limited booster involvement ? Boosters help fund player compensation * Four-year player development ? “Win now” roster building * No college general managers ? GMs and personnel departments * No roster budgeting ? Revenue-sharing and salary cap-style planning * Limited player leverage ? Players have significant bargaining power * Small schools kept stars ? Top talent transfers to bigger programs * Conferences were stable ? Massive conference realignment * Regional conferences ? Coast-to-coast super conferences * Traditional rivalries ? New conference schedules and rivalries * Four-team College Football Playoff ? Twelve-team playoff * Conference titles were everything ? Multiple teams from one conference can make the CFP * NCAA had stronger control ? Courts have reshaped college athletics * Amateur model ? Professional-style business model * Simple recruiting calendars ? Year-round roster management * Few player agents ? Agents are common * Limited tampering concerns ? Tampering is a constant occurrence * Players rarely left early ? Annual portal entries after every season I can keep going if you want me to.
You blew him out of the water with that response!! He had to admit you were right (as any college football fan could tell you)!
This post was edited on 7/23/26 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:19 pm to FredbullTN
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So did lane and glasscock forget something in the last 7 months?
Yall should definitely hope not. Each program is different. Every aspect of a program has to be pulling in the same direction in order to be successful. Brian Kelly didn’t forget how to coach and look what happened there. BK didn’t lose because of a lack of resources that’s for sure.
This post was edited on 7/23/26 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:25 pm to HYDRebs
it's better than Ole Miss, that's for sure!
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:45 pm to PurpleSingularity
quote:Off the top of my head….
That’s awesome….can you list them all please?
Robert Nkemdiche
Laremy Tunsil
Greg Little
Shea Patterson
Laquan Treadwell
Antonio Conner
Michael Oher
Javon Patterson
Damarkus Lodge
Jerrell Powe
Rod Taylor
AJ Brown
DK Metcalf
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