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re: If Saban left after 2021..
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:38 am to bamameister
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:38 am to bamameister
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He would immediately turn into the LSU version. The perfect storm would be over and out.
The “perfect storm” was Saban going to Bama with a national championship and NFL head coaching experience on his resume. He was a better coach when he started at Bama and had an easier time selling his vision to recruits because of his success.
When Saban went to LSU, he was a no-name and yet still built a championship program and laid the foundation for a lot of success after he left.
Hell, if Saban had left LSU and stayed in the NFL LSU would have won at least two more national titles (2007, 2011) in the six years after he left with a mediocre coach at the helm.
Fair arguments can be made if Saban would have won “as much” at LSU, Texas, Florida or wherever as he as has at Bama. Maybe, maybe not. But to say Bama is more responsible than Saban for six national titles from 2009-2020 is just stupid.
In college football, great coaches make great programs.
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:51 am to BigBro
A better thread would be if you picked a decent but not great team from each Power 5 conference and took a poll to see how fast it would take Saban to be in the playoffs
UCLA
Michigan State
Auburn
Oklahoma State
Virginia Tech
UCLA
Michigan State
Auburn
Oklahoma State
Virginia Tech
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:00 am to BigBro
See? This is what we had to put up with for almost 100 years and yet there are fools that still say things like, what don't we add texas university to the SEC.
Sark has not finished his first Lone Star beer six pack and they are already after him.
Sark has not finished his first Lone Star beer six pack and they are already after him.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:15 am to Globetrotter747
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I don’t believe I said Saban would have done “as well” at LSU as he has at Bama, although I think that’s quite possible. I said Saban would have done better at LSU than whoever Bama hires in 2007 and beyond.
Do you disagree with that?
Depends on the hire. If Alabama hired Coach Meyer, Coach Carroll, even Coach Rod they may have done fairly well. Based on past results, I would say I I do not disagree, but we are talking hypothetically.
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Because he was ready to return to the college game, it was the only big-time job open, and Bama offered him a record contract?
He really was not, in fact the only reason why Coach Saban agreed to come to Alabama was AD Moore was in his living room. Coach Saban had called his wife to tell her he was not taking the Alabama job, and he would call Bama when he got home. She told him you could do it in person because Moore was in their living room.
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Work on your reading comprehension.
Because Saban > Bama, which was my point, is the reason we have all these threads.
Honestly Coach Saban probably would not do as well elsewhere. Great programs make good coaches great. Coach Bryant was a good coach, but when he got to Bama, he became great. It is the same with Coach Saban.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:21 am to Globetrotter747
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Fair arguments can be made if Saban would have won “as much” at LSU, Texas, Florida or wherever as he as has at Bama. Maybe, maybe not. But to say Bama is more responsible than Saban for six national titles from 2009-2020 is just stupid.
Your words, not mine. I said he would turn into the LSU version. Is that your definition of the LSU version?
What you got for 5 seasons you would continue to get. What's so difficult about that? And BAMA continues to get what any 5 year period continues to reflect.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:24 am to Haricougar
Aggies , dream on home boy !!! I thought Jimbo was the new Saban? 
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:41 am to BigBro
2 years and he’s in the playoffs. No doubt, especially with the transfer rules! If he left Bama tomorrow and he had the budget you said then he’d take 3/4 of his present Bama staff and inevitably 3/4 of Bama’s players would follow him.
If he went to freaking UAB, he’d still be Bama in UAB jerseys.
If he went to freaking UAB, he’d still be Bama in UAB jerseys.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:45 am to BurgTiger
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If he went to freaking UAB, he’d still be Bama in UAB jerseys.
Walt Disney would refuse to produce that fantasy.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:46 am to Ash Williams
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A better thread would be if you picked a decent but not great team from each Power 5 conference and took a poll to see how fast it would take Saban to be in the playoffs
UCLA - 2 years
Michigan State - 4 years
Auburn - 2 years
Oklahoma State - 3 years
Virginia Tech - 2 years
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:54 am to TideFaninFl
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Depends on the hire. If Alabama hired Coach Meyer, Coach Carroll, even Coach Rod they may have done fairly well. Based on past results, I would say I I do not disagree, but we are talking hypothetically.
There are a few coaches (none of whom were available in 2007) who might have won a national title at Bama.
I will put it this way: I think there a bunch more programs Saban could have gone to in 2007 and built a dynasty than coaches who could have gone to Bama at that time and built a dynasty - especially if Saban is at LSU or elsewhere.
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He really was not, in fact the only reason why Coach Saban agreed to come to Alabama was AD Moore was in his living room. Coach Saban had called his wife to tell her he was not taking the Alabama job, and he would call Bama when he got home. She told him you could do it in person because Moore was in their living room.
Like I said, desperate to win and begging Saban to come. There was no one else to hire.
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Honestly Coach Saban probably would not do as well elsewhere. Great programs make good coaches great. Coach Bryant was a good coach, but when he got to Bama, he became great. It is the same with Coach Saban.
First of all, no, they don’t. No program is a kingmaker when it comes to coaches.
Second, it’s pure stupidity to think that Saban needed Bama to be a great coach. frickin’ Les Miles and Ed Orgeron won national titles off the foundation he laid at LSU and the program almost certainly has even more success if Saban stays in the NFL.
Saban > Bama. The man’s won 7 national titles since 2003 at two different programs (even with two years out of the game) and Bama won just one in the 25 years before him and didn’t sniff another. In all the time between Bryant and Saban I don’t think Bama spent a single week of the regular season atop the polls. Saban has done it every year since ‘08.
But… it’s Bama. Ridiculous.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:55 am to BigBro
Texas & LSU just can’t accept the fact that Nick Saban is too big for your little po-dunk football programs.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:05 am to saban n bear
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Texas & LSU just can’t accept the fact that Nick Saban is too big for your little po-dunk foo
tball programs.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:18 am to bamameister
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Your words, not mine. I said he would turn into the LSU version. Is that your definition of the LSU version?
What you got for 5 seasons you would continue to get. What's so difficult about that? And BAMA continues to get what any 5 year period continues to reflect.
The is one of the dumbest things you've ever posted.
You're saying Saban would've continued to be what he had been for 5 years yet Les Miles came in and immediately started winning more games than Saban historically had.
By your logic, Miles must've been a better coach than Saban.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:11 am to BigBro
Under your scenario I would like to see what Saban could do at North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Virginia, or Georgia Tech. I’m betting he could have them in the playoffs in year 3.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:16 am to Oklahomey
quote:lol my first thought once I saw which poster created this thread.
He’s not going to Texas
Waked right into that one
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:16 am to BigBro
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Thoughts?
(and no I don’t mean Texas - I mean a G5 school or a team that is just historically terrible.. like Wake Forest, a school that would only potentially be good because of Saban)
Oh you're one of those "Alabama is only good because of Saban?"
Alabama and Saban were/are the perfect storm. He would do well anywhere he goes but he's not going to top what was and is being completed at Alabama.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:44 am to Globetrotter747
You wrote a lot of words just to tell us you do not understand what went on and why things have happened like they did.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:47 am to TS1926
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He would do well anywhere he goes but he's not going to top what was and is being completed at Alabama.
Why not?
What does Alabama give him that no other elite program can?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:59 am to SidewalkTiger
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Why not?
What does Alabama give him that no other elite program can?
Because Alabama is Alabama. We have established that fact. No other program can match what Alabama offers for head coaches.
Once President Denny decided that football was the way to go, Alabama was off and running. You can see the results.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:01 pm to BigBro
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I think he could probably make a nobody program somebody pretty quick.
He did this at LSU in just a couple of years.
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