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re: If Saban left after 2021..
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:14 pm to TideFaninFl
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:14 pm to TideFaninFl
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Because Alabama is Alabama. We have established that fact. No other program can match what Alabama offers for head coaches.
Like what?
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:29 pm to SidewalkTiger
Simply put, steel sharpens steel, and because of the SEC being so good in football (5 of the top 13 schools in wins are SEC schools) it makes Alabama have to be better.
Alabama is the total package, as evidenced by wins (should be #1 in wins by the end of this decade. Would already be there but the ncaa decided to lie), titles, win %, etc.
Rabid fan base, HIGH expectations that rub off on the coaches and players, and that little special something that other schools just do not have, and probably never will (after 100+ years, if they have not reached it, they never will.)
You can argue that other schools COULD do the same thing, but they have not, at least not long term.
Alabama is the total package, as evidenced by wins (should be #1 in wins by the end of this decade. Would already be there but the ncaa decided to lie), titles, win %, etc.
Rabid fan base, HIGH expectations that rub off on the coaches and players, and that little special something that other schools just do not have, and probably never will (after 100+ years, if they have not reached it, they never will.)
You can argue that other schools COULD do the same thing, but they have not, at least not long term.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:42 pm to TideFaninFl
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Rabid fan base, HIGH expectations that rub off on the coaches and players
This is true of any elite program.
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and that little special something that other schools just do not have
Alabama fans always talk about this but they can't actually quantify what it is
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:44 pm to BigBro
Only 2 schools he would go to : Ohio St or WVU .
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:52 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Like what?
Compare Alabama and LSU's history pre Saban and get back with me...Anyway, your point is moot. He said any program, not an elite program. He suggested Saban could take over SMU and have it competing for titles in three years. That is absurd.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:56 pm to TS1926
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Compare Alabama and LSU's history pre Saban and get back with me...Anyway, your point is moot. He said any program, not an elite program. He suggested Saban could take over SMU and have it competing for titles in three years. That is absurd.
This is a major deflection from my question.
Again, what does Alabama offer a head coach that no elite program can?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:05 pm to TS1926
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Compare Alabama and LSU's history pre Saban and get back with me...Anyway, your point is moot. He said any program, not an elite program. He suggested Saban could take over SMU and have it competing for titles in three years. That is absurd.
Do you really think that a recruit cares if Saban is at Alabama or LSU or SMU? They would want to play for him regardless of where he was coaching..
The man wins rings.. and he puts a ton of players into the NFL.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
Because at Alabama, football is Number 1. There is no pro sports team to compete with it. Football is the alpha and omega. It has a large, rabid and very supportive fanbase. And I'm not just speaking of sidewalk fans.
Even still, there was one coach who could succeed at Alabama in such a way and that was a coach who lived and breathed football 365 days a year.
But Alabama is Alabama. Look Mike Dubose, probably one of the worst head coaches in the history of college football, won an SEC championship and beat Spurrier's Gators twice. Mike Shula won ten games in one season while Alabama was under heavy NCAA sanctions.
Compare what Alabama has done during her worst times to the worst times of other "elite" programs. How have they fared? USC has been awful. How many conference championships? What about Texas? What about Michigan? LOL.
Alabama has had seasons that were average by Alabama's standards but would be deemed greatly successful at others programs.
So yeah, one can make the argument that Alabama is the all time greatest and Saban at Alabama is a perfect storm.
Even still, there was one coach who could succeed at Alabama in such a way and that was a coach who lived and breathed football 365 days a year.
But Alabama is Alabama. Look Mike Dubose, probably one of the worst head coaches in the history of college football, won an SEC championship and beat Spurrier's Gators twice. Mike Shula won ten games in one season while Alabama was under heavy NCAA sanctions.
Compare what Alabama has done during her worst times to the worst times of other "elite" programs. How have they fared? USC has been awful. How many conference championships? What about Texas? What about Michigan? LOL.
Alabama has had seasons that were average by Alabama's standards but would be deemed greatly successful at others programs.
So yeah, one can make the argument that Alabama is the all time greatest and Saban at Alabama is a perfect storm.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:21 pm to BigBro
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Do you really think that a recruit cares if Saban is at Alabama or LSU or SMU? They would want to play for him regardless of where he was coaching..
The man wins rings.. and he puts a ton of players into the NFL.
Yes I do. They can see the difference in programs with their own eyes. At least comparing to SMU..LOL.
The point is moot because Saban is not leaving Alabama. His whole family lives here with all of his grandkids.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:47 pm to TS1926
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Because at Alabama, football is Number 1. There is no pro sports team to compete with it. Football is the alpha and omega. It has a large, rabid and very supportive fanbase. And I'm not just speaking of sidewalk fans.
Even still, there was one coach who could succeed at Alabama in such a way and that was a coach who lived and breathed football 365 days a year.
But Alabama is Alabama. Look Mike Dubose, probably one of the worst head coaches in the history of college football, won an SEC championship and beat Spurrier's Gators twice. Mike Shula won ten games in one season while Alabama was under heavy NCAA sanctions.
Compare what Alabama has done during her worst times to the worst times of other "elite" programs. How have they fared? USC has been awful. How many conference championships? What about Texas? What about Michigan? LOL.
Alabama has had seasons that were average by Alabama's standards but would be deemed greatly successful at others programs.
So yeah, one can make the argument that Alabama is the all time greatest and Saban at Alabama is a perfect storm.
I mean all of this sounds nice but it's really just Bama homer propaganda.
At the end of the day, Alabama football doesn't offer an incoming head coach anything more than any other elite college football program.
I've asked Alabama fans who disagree with that statement to point to one quantifiable quality that Alabama offers that no other program can and we just get a lot of vague references and deflections.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I mean all of this sounds nice but it's really just Bama homer propaganda.
it's not "homerism" and propaganda. Alabama offers everything any other "elite" program offers (facilities, stadium, support) in addition to the irrefutable facts I presented.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:10 pm to TheFourHorsemen
The school would have to be an attractive choice for top recruits. Saban is the GOAT but as good as he is, his success depends on getting a huge share of the top players. And those players don’t want to spend 3-4 years in some of these less than desirable locations
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:11 pm to TS1926
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in addition to the irrefutable facts I presented.
You didn't present any quantifiable thing that Alabama offers that another elite program can't.
If Kirby and Saban had switched jobs in 2016, do you really think Kirby would have more titles than Saban since that date?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:19 pm to TS1926
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The point is moot because Saban is not leaving Alabama.
Agreed. He is not leaving.. but it’s the off-season and I would like to illustrate my point.
Orgeron @ LSU < Saban @ Alabama
Saban @ LSU > Orgeron @ Alabama in Years 3+
Riley @ OU < Saban @ Alabama
Saban @ OU > Riley @ Alabama in Years 3+
Smart @ Georgia < Saban @ Alabama
Saban @ Georgia > Smart @ Alabama in Years 3+
Rinse & Repeat for any school you want to name.
Because of his past success, Saban could completely turn any program around and make them the next dominant program.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:20 pm to SidewalkTiger
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If Kirby and Saban had switched jobs in 2016
Damn. I typed too slow and you beat me to the punch.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:24 pm to BigBro
Why are you here writing fan-fiction porn for a program not in the SEC?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:40 pm to SidewalkTiger
I think if Saban left and Alabama hired Kirby, Kirby would have a championship with a year or two.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:42 pm to BigBro
It's all conjecture on your part. Using your logic, shouldn't have Saban won more at LSU or Michigan State than he did?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:42 pm to UTprideofTX
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Why are you here writing fan-fiction porn for a program not in the SEC?
I originally started lurking during the NCAA baseball tournament. I was trying to figure out more info on Florida’s team this year, who was supposed to be our Super Regional matchup.
I didn’t register until last week though when I was bored, and decided to engage on the Texas vs A&M discussions. I’ll be gone soon.. no worries. Or maybe I’ll stay just to piss you off.. Tough call.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:43 pm to TS1926
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I think if Saban left and Alabama hired Kirby, Kirby would have a championship with a year or two.
Why could he win one at Alabama but not at Georgia?
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