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re: If Saban left after 2021..
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:45 pm to BigBro
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:45 pm to BigBro
Some are extraordinarily sensitive about fans outside the sec posting on this sacred board. Which is ironic considering it gives us the option to put our team’s logo next to our name, but I digress.
Just take it as a compliment that they don’t have a credible response to whatever you posted and move forward. Best of luck
Just take it as a compliment that they don’t have a credible response to whatever you posted and move forward. Best of luck
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:45 pm to SidewalkTiger
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labama fans always talk about this but they can't actually quantify what it is
You wouldn't understand it.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:47 pm to massilsu
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Only 2 schools he would go to : Ohio St or WVU .
Good grief you're dumb.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:47 pm to TS1926
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. Using your logic, shouldn't have Saban won more at LSU or Michigan State than he did?
The man had to build a foundation at LSU first then he won a national title at a program that hadn't won one in over 40 years.
Looking at the program he was building, its hard to say he wouldn't have had a comparable level of success.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:48 pm to TideFaninFl
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You wrote a lot of words just to tell us you do not understand what went on and why things have happened like they did.
I understand that Alabama’s pursuit of Saban was one of desperation. Might still be wandering in the wilderness without him. And if he hadn’t left LSU, he would be kicking Alabama’s arse every year.
Alabama had 7 coaches in 25 years between Bryant and Saban and not one of those coaches could make Alabama the top program in the nation, or even the SEC. Unless I’m mistaken Alabama was never #1 in any poll from 1983-2006. Only the final poll of the 1992 season after a bowl game they won as a heavy underdog. At no point could you say, “Alabama is the best program going in the nation and/or SEC.”
All these 5 stars coming from out of state don’t give a shite about Alabama. They are mercenaries seeking the coach most able to make them high NFL draft picks. I don’t think Najee Harris even knew what the frick Roll Tide meant when he first went to Bama.
All Alabama does is get the frick out of Saban’s way and spend money on whatever he tells them to spend money on. Everyone in the SEC is Saban’s bitch, including Alabama.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
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he man had to build a foundation at LSU first then he won a national title at a program that hadn't won one in over 40 years.
Yes indeed. How long did it take him to do the same at Bama. Remember in the OP's qualifier he used SMU. He basically stated that SMU is the same caliber program as Alabama. He later stated Oregon is the same caliber or better program than Alabama. I disagree.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:50 pm to TS1926
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Alabama fans always talk about this but they can't actually quantify what it is
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You wouldn't understand it.
I agree, because I'm not an Alabama homer who believes in the mystical BAMA fairy dust that doesn't exist.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:51 pm to TS1926
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t's all conjecture on your part. Using your logic, shouldn't have Saban won more at LSU or Michigan State than he did?
Nope.. and that is one of the main points that I am trying to make.
Saban today > Saban @ LSU > Saban @ Mich State
He didn’t have the skins on the wall back then that he does now.. That being said, he was pretty successful at LSU.
Saban has always been a good coach. But his legendary status just keeps growing and growing.. and because of that, he just keeps getting better and better players.. And at this point, it’s not an question of whether he could do it again.. the only question would be.. how long will it take?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:51 pm to Globetrotter747
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Unless I’m mistaken Alabama was never #1 in any poll from 1983-2006
You are mistaken. They finished number 1 at the conclusion of the 1992 season. They were ranked number 1 at various times in 1993.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:52 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The man had to build a foundation at LSU first then he won a national title at a program that hadn't won one in over 40 years.
Yet you try to denounce Alabama previous foundation and history before Saban. You think Louisiana kids go to LSU simply because it's a state university? No LSU built itself into national brand with good recent history.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:55 pm to TS1926
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Yes indeed. How long did it take him to do the same at Bama.
He was a much more accomplished coach when he came to Alabama than at LSU. This led to people buying in more, it led to easier recruiting.
When he came to LSU, he was just a Yankee with a career 43-26 record.
When he came to Alabama, he'd built a national championship winning program in the region, he'd coached an NFL team in the region, and he knew how to recruit in the SEC.
He won a title at LSU in his fourth year, at Bama in his third
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:57 pm to SmokeTide
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Yet you try to denounce Alabama previous foundation and history before Saban.
No I don't, I'm simply saying that Alabama doesn't offer an incoming head coach anything else than any other elite program.
There's literally no reason to believe that Kirby has more championships since 2016 if he switches places with Saban in that year.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:57 pm to SidewalkTiger
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When he came to LSU, he was just a Yankee with a career 43-26 record.
Certainly not how I remember him. He was widely accepted as an elite coach.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:59 pm to TS1926
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He basically stated that SMU is the same caliber program as Alabama. He later stated Oregon is the same caliber or better program than Alabama. I disagree.
Nope.. I didn’t say that SMU or Oregon were the same as Alabama. Quite the opposite actually..
I was saying that Saban (at this point in his career) could compete and make a run in the playoffs at a school like SMU. Not because the schools are comparable, but because Saban has that many skins on the wall at this point.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:08 pm to BigBro
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I was saying that Saban (at this point in his career) could compete and make a run in the playoffs at a school like SMU. Not because the schools are comparable, but because Saban has that many skins on the wall at this point.
Maybe so.. Maybe not. Remember how people thought Jim Harbaugh was going to be wildly successful at Michigan? Things don't always work out just like you would expect them to work.
That said, I wouldn't bet against him.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:08 pm to TS1926
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Certainly not how I remember him. He was widely accepted as an elite coach.
He went 34-24 at Michigan State.
People here are trashing Auburn for hiring a guy who went 69-19 at Boise State.
Saban certainly wasn't known as an "elite coach" when he came to LSU. He built that reputation with his time in Baton Rouge then was able to snowball that reputation into an even quicker rebound once he got to Alabama.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:13 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Saban certainly wasn't known as an "elite coach" when he came to LSU. He built that reputation with his time in Baton Rouge then was able to snowball that reputation into an even quicker rebound once he got to Alabama.
Dude, putting a little laughing emoticon up doesn't make your post more legit. Saban was widely recognized as a great coach. His record is irrelevant because he had taken over programs that were perennial losers. You're trying to qualify a non sequitur at this point.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
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He went 34-24 at Michigan State.
People here are trashing Auburn for hiring a guy who went 69-19 at Boise State.
Because the Mountain West is equal to playing in the Big Ten ...
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:20 pm to TS1926
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Dude, putting a little laughing emoticon up doesn't make your post more legit. Saban was widely recognized as a great coach.
Maybe "good" but not "great" or "elite."
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His record is irrelevant because he had taken over programs that were perennial losers.
Interesting since you just said:
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:26 pm to Hback
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Because the Mountain West is equal to playing in the Big Ten .
Let me reframe it then.
Saban was supposedly considered an elite coach after going 34-24 at Michigan State yet Jim Harbaugh is constantly trashed for his 49-22 record at Michigan.
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