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re: If a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a pump fake
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:01 am to elit4ce05
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:01 am to elit4ce05
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If his arm is moving forward it is incomplete.
So we agree?
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If a defensive lineman "accidentally" catches it in the air is it an interception or a fumble recovery?
Interception.
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:01 am to WilliamTaylor21
It was autocorrect you blithering troll.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:02 am to Jon Ham
His arm is moving forward but not in a throwing motion. Intent matters.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:03 am to Jon Ham
He’s past the line of scrimmage, 40 yards down the field. It’s not a pass. It’s a fumble. Same with a guy running a kickoff back, who drops the ball before the goal line. That’s a fumble. This is a dumb discussion. The dude was not trying to complete a forward pass.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
What part of "Beyond the line of Scrimmage" are we missing here?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:07 am to Oilfieldbiology
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A pump fake implies the motion of throwing it, or at least pretending to throw it.
The player’s intent is irrelevant. Refs consider the objective movements, not what’s inside the brain. A ref can see whether a player voluntary moves the arm forward, whether the player has control of the ball when moving the arm forward, and whether the ball travels forward after release.
A QB’s intention to pump fake can be obvious. Are you saying that a ref has the discretion to call those fumbles because it’s clear the QB was never actually intending to throw a pass when he made that motion?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:09 am to IAmNERD
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You can't throw a pass beyond the LOS. You can lateral...backwards. If a team throws an illegal forward lateral (not pass, that's behind LOS) and the other team intercepts, it's the same as recovering a fumble. (Like what happened here) If the defense doesn't intercept or recover, and it goes forward, OOB or possessed by the offense, then a penalty for an illegal forward lateral is enforced from the spot of the foul.
So just to be clear, you’re saying that when a QB steps beyond the LOS and throws the ball forward and it hits the ground, it’s a live ball?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:10 am to Jon Ham
I made my username because of posters like you. Idiot.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:10 am to geauxnavybeatbama
quote:He's just trying to fit in around here.
You’re being purposefully stupid.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:10 am to Jon Ham
I believe so until its possessed. If it's possessed by the offense, penalty enforced. If possessed by the defense, change of possession.
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that's the rule.
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that's the rule.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:11 am to Oilfieldbiology
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His arm is moving forward but not in a throwing motion.
So shovel passes are fumbles?
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Intent matters.
So a ref can say a QB obviously was just trying to pump fake and not throw the ball and call it a fumble?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:13 am to tenacious
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The dude was not trying to complete a forward pass.
Neither is a QB when he pump fakes.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:13 am to The Sultan of Swine
quote:how do you know a grasshopper wasn’t on it? Maybe he has entomophobia?
Mizzou RB drops the ball (forward) before any contact is made
Don’t be a mental health denier!
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:14 am to IAmNERD
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I believe so until its possessed. If it's possessed by the offense, penalty enforced. If possessed by the defense, change of possession.
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that's the rule.
I’ve watched a frick ton of football and have never seen it called a live ball when the QB throws an incomplete pass after crossing the LOS.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:14 am to Jon Ham
Intent to pass would require someone he is attempting to throw to. There is no one ahead of him to throw to.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:15 am to Jon Ham
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So just to be clear, you’re saying that when a QB steps beyond the LOS and throws the ball forward and it hits the ground, it’s a live ball?
This is the only consistent position for the people making that argument.
It may actually be true, if the penalty is decline and the defense recovers the illegal forward pass. Just don't think I've ever seen this.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:15 am to Jon Ham
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I’ve watched a frick ton of football and have never seen it called a live ball when the QB throws an incomplete pass after crossing the LOS.
Thats cool.
This wasnt a pass, you're just trying to argue.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:20 am to PurpleandGeauld
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Intent to pass would require someone he is attempting to throw to. There is no one ahead of him to throw to.
So if a QB is trying to throw the ball away, there is no receiver in the area, but he short arms it and the ball lands in bounds is it a live ball?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:21 am to Jon Ham
Al, the RB had to do was dive into the end zone for the easy TD. Glove could have been just a tad slick for him to lose grip like that. I don’t know. I’m not an Auburn fan and was actually hoping Mizzou would win it. But, it was an interesting finish. Considering the Mizzou missed chip shot, the Auburn FG in OT, and the unique final play in OT, it was definitely entertaining.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:21 am to Jon Ham
Not even close. Using your analogy, why not call it intentional ground? There wasn't even a target near the direction of the fumble. How many time have you seen a player toss the ball in celebration before crossing the end zone and they rule it a fumble?
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