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re: If a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a pump fake
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:51 pm to Jon Ham
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:51 pm to Jon Ham
Where was the line of scrimmage? If he's past the line of scrimmage that is a fumble 100% of the time and the same applies in this case behind the LOS.
And yes you are being stupid because there was clearly no intent to throw the ball.
And yes you are being stupid because there was clearly no intent to throw the ball.
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:53 pm to ColoradoAg
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I’ve seen a QB drop the ball when pump faking - fumble
If the ball goes backwards and/or the QB loses control of the ball before it leaves contact with his hand then sure those are fumbles. We’re talking about a QB who has control of the ball, moves his arm forward with the ball, and the ball releases forward in that motion but the QB’s grip isn’t tight enough and the ball slips the grip and goes forward into the ground.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:54 pm to FooManChoo
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question is whether or not the ball is a pass or a fumble, and given that refs see passes all the time, and they see fumbles all the time, they can use context to understand the difference between the two even when some argumentative fans want to make the rules murky.
It is why the NFL rules are absolutely more clear with intent accounted for for forward fumbles and passes. An intentional forward fumble would be considered a forward pass.
In this case, if you apply the same logic, there is no intent or value to be gained by either "passing" to Manti Teo's GF apparently, as no one was ahead of him in the end zone. He made no clear, traditional throwing motion. Even if there were,it would clearly come back as an illegal forward pass.
Intent to fumble forward also doesn't check out, as AU's players were and proved to be the only players positioned to recover the ball forward. Mizzou would have retained the ball in goal line situation, so no advantage to either.
He was working hard to make a play and should have kept both hands on the ball, that is all. It just as easily could have bounced left and out of the end zone for an AU touch back.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:55 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Jon Ham is kicking your bitch arse
Sad
Sad
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:56 pm to Jon Ham
Gotta love the, "Sorry your honor, but it's all okay on the grounds that my defendant is a complete and absolute moron" defense a lot of these take.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:57 pm to tenacious
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The dude was not trying to complete a forward pass.
Yes, he was
Obvious pass attempt/intent
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:57 pm to Jon Ham
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That rule mentions “neutral zone” in order to define what “forward” means, not to insert a requirement that one must be behind the neutral zone in order to pass.
If that rule didn’t include “neutral zone” then one could argue a QB is always throwing the ball “forward” in respect to his own position on the field.
A forward pass uses the opponents goal line to determine direction forward, any other direction is not a forward pass. Technically, any shot gun hike is a backwards pass for example.
This rule doesn't use the opponents goal line because it no longer applies to anything beyond the line of scrimmage.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:58 pm to Jon Ham
I’ve seen that situation in the NFL. Usually called a fumble. Arm moving forward or not. That is what replay is actually for
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:58 pm to skrayper
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Gotta love the, "Sorry your honor, but it's all okay on the grounds that my defendant is a complete and absolute moron" defense a lot of these take.
This is more like the fable of the lion and the donkey, where the donkey claims the grass is blue.
OP is the donkey, we are the lions who should know better than to engage.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:59 pm to Jon Ham
WTH?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:01 pm to Jon Ham
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never seen it called a live ball when the QB throws an incomplete pass after crossing the LOS.
this is true
in the history of football, this is true
I don't even like Jon Ham and he hates me, and I'm still defending him in explaining to you LSU dipshits the basic rules of the game
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:02 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Also agree with that. A forward pass, no matter if it is attempted behind the LOS or beyond the LOS, is a dead ball if it is not caught in the air.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:04 pm to Jon Ham
Arkansas beat themselves. A&M didn’t win, Arkansas merely ran out of time
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:07 pm to Fuegoqueso
thanks for the shower thought
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:09 pm to 3down10
you and your fricking Saban Mickey Mouse ears
physics - basic physics
just like the Drunk-Drivers-Only Natchez Trace Parkway in regard to how it protects sober drivers who are never to enter that parkway
physics - basic physics
just like the Drunk-Drivers-Only Natchez Trace Parkway in regard to how it protects sober drivers who are never to enter that parkway
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:10 pm to 3down10
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3down10
fricking downvote
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:12 pm to ColoradoAg
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I’ve seen a QB drop the ball when pump faking - fumble
I’ve seen idiots extend the ball and lose control - fumble
I’ve seen idiots shot put the ball when past LOS - illegal forward pass
By the way, in KJ’s case the ball never hit the ground - doesn’t matter what you call
duh dipshit, that's what he did
illegal forward pass penalty
You just made Ham's argument for him
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:14 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Usually it is clear in the replay because if the QB drops the ball his mannerisms scream “oh shite”, and he goes after the ball. On a “pass” he doesn’t
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:14 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Is this a fumble if it had fallen incomplete?
What?
That’s a clearly intentional overhand throw to an open receiver. I was responding to a post about, and I quote:
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an unintended forward shovel pass
Your example is obviously not a fumble (if not caught) but it also has nothing to do with the post you’re responding to, other than the fact that the QB was past the LOS.
An “unintended shovel pass” past the LOS - e.g. a play where the QB is running downfield and accidentally flips the ball forward, is a fumble.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:15 pm to RebelTheBear
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Also agree with that. A forward pass, no matter if it is attempted behind the LOS or beyond the LOS, is a dead ball if it is not caught in the air.
thank you RTB
you are an excellent poster and Great American
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