re: If a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a pump fake

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If a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a pump fake
Usually it is clear in the replay because if the QB drops the ball his mannerisms scream “oh shite”, and he goes after the ball. On a “pass” he doesn’t

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find that in the rule book

you're making shite up

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Hey Harry,

You made some thread towards chicken saying he need to open tRant up on the scoreboard and proceeded to post nothing.

What’s the deal? Chicken gunna frick you up.

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Chicken loves me

Anytime I openly post towards Chicken, he sends me $10 Sonic Gift Cards in which I go to Sonic and get the double cheeseburger meal and end up owing like a dollar and 34 cents difference on my visa

sometimes I've got the dollar 34 in my drink cup holder


I always text chicken on that on my way out of Sonice and he sends me all the nice emojis

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That’s a clearly intentional overhand throw to an open receiver

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Over hand vs under hand has nothing to do with whether a play meets the definition of a pass

Nor does a receiver in the area

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What about “intentional”?

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What about “intentional”?

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You realize these guys don't give a frick what the rules really are right? They've realized Arkansas still sucks, so they are back to shite posting because it's all they have.

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This is a strange take. You’re saying an official can determine a ball is “live” after a QB throws it forward if the official thinks the QB didn’t mean to do that.

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I would argue that the word “throw” in itself implies intentionality, but yes that’s exactly what I’m saying - that an official can rule on whether a pass was intentionally thrown or accidentally lost by a QB when that QB is past the line of scrimmage.

When it happens behind the LOS it is presumed to be intentional (e.g. not a fumble).

Just like fumbling out of bounds is OK but intentionally fumbling out of bounds to conserve clock is a penalty.

I do care about the rules. The other side is the one claiming it’s up to the judgement of the officials, which is probably true, but it should be clarified in the rulebook

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Because you literally have to be a fricking refugee from Outer Mongolia who's never seen a football before to conclude that the running back was trying to throw the ball. Sticking a hand straight out doesn't even remotely resemble a throwing motion.

Don't take offense, but this really is a serious question: are you really this fricking stupid in real life? Lots of posters have their message board persona which in no way resembles their real life persona.

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you dumbshit


what is a quarterback and what is a running back? If we snap it to Rocket and he hands it or tosses it to KJ, who is the "quarterback"?


YOU DONT KNOW!

You might have a point but there’s nothing explicit about redefining what constitutes an (illegal) forward pass beyond the line of scrimmage. So the simplest assumption would be to use the definition that applies behind the line of scrimmage (minus the part about the arm moving toward the neutral zone)

Dude just go play farmville

I watched the replay, and it's definitely a fumble.

By your logic, literally ANY time a RB tries to reach out to gain yardage and fumbles, it's an illegal forward pass.

I say this because that's what he's doing in the clip - he's changing hands so that he can reach out and break the plane.

First, we define a fumble:

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Fumble
ARTICLE 1. To fumble the ball is to lose player possession by any act other than passing, kicking or successful handing (A.R. 2-19-2-I and A.R. 4-1-3-I).
The status of the ball is a fumble

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We can rule out kicking and handing, so it's "passing":

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Forward and Backward Pass
ARTICLE 2. a. A pass is forward if the ball first strikes the ground, a player,
an official or anything else beyond the spot where the ball is released. All other
passes are backward passes. When in question a pass thrown in or behind the neutral zone is forward rather than a backward pass.(Exception: Games using Instant Replay)
b. When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of the passer’s hand with the ball firmly in their control starts the forward pass unless the player
clearly starts to bring the ball back with firm control to the passer’s body

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Relevant content from A.R. 2-19-2-I:
When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his hand or arm with the ball firmly in his control starts the forward pass.


In other words, INTENT is a very strong component.
It's very clear his intent isn't to try and pass the ball to the mascot sitting outside of the end zone. He was trying to switch hands to reach for the TD and win the game instead of controlling the ball and letting himself be knocked OOB with snaps left to try and win.