re: I knew Mullen was overrated when he force fed Holloway

But recruiting rankings tell me y’all have more talent, so if JoMo wins surely he’s a better coach than Mullen. The recruiting rankings speak for themselves.

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We've had two different busts at HC while you guys had your best coach of all time for 9 years building and maintaining his team.

It's practically the same thing.

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And it's for this reason that I *really* wish this matchup was next year. The standing rule seems to be that coaches make the biggest jump in year 2 at their programs. Would have been much more interesting to see this matchup with both coaches in year 2... even if the situations weren't identical to start. UF has the general talent edge with MSU having the "stability"...

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your best coach of all time

AGAIN, that is Sherrill.

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Putting aside the opinion on 1/2, can you agree that you are coming off what probably amounts to the 9 most consistent years of success for MSU and at worst your #2 coach of all time?

Far be it from me to give the gators credit for anything, but the outcome of this year's game doesn't really give great insights into which coach is going to be better in their new job, program direction, or anything else... It'll be a feather in the cap for whoever wins, but both teams have more important shite to do than worry about each other.

UF needs to turn recruiting around, and quickly. UGA has a massive edge over the rest of the east right now, and UF *shouldn't* allow that to remain the case. They need to expand in the Florida power vacuum with FSU transitioning coaches and re-establish the dominant position in state. Richt isn't the greatest recruiter, but he's no slouch and left unchecked, Miami will stranglehold any talent in South Florida that they can keep in state.

Meanwhile, MSU needs to take the next step. With LSU struggling under O, A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss all plugging in new coaches this year (or last), they need to try and challenge Aubie for #2 behind Alabama. It's a good year for in-state recruiting, so a good year on the field probably translates into better recruiting success which will allow them to sustain.

Different situations.

Goooooooood, let the butthurt consume you.

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look at how many Mullen threads are started by MSU fans on a daily basis. And compare them to threads on MSU started by UF fan.

And then tell me who is butthurt. #MoveonfromDan

Quote where I said 1941.

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True, but the greatest coach in State’s history with Florida’s roster can surely beat a less talented State team with a first year coach in the SEC.

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To win, you have to be able to score, and I don't care who you are, you need a serviceable QB to get that done with any degree of consistency.

I'm just not sure that Florida has one ready on the roster yet. They *may*... but we know that MSU does. That is where I think my objection for the basis of comparison comes. You're taking what is one of the most talented MSU rosters in recent years and putting it up against arguably one of the least talented Florida rosters excluding possibly last year when 20+ individuals were suspended.

I'm much more interested in how the programs do on the recruiting trail. If MSU has success this cycle, it likely means they looked promising enough on the field to win recruits to the new coach. For obvious reasons, I would like to think that Mullen continues to largely suck as a recruiter and struggle in Gainesville to bring in talent. Ultimately, they'll have no problems getting to the 11-15 range most years, just due to the available talent pool... but don't think that will be enough to satisfy the Gator faithful, which may mean we see Mullen gone by year 4 or 5. If he turns in some successful classes and manages to win 2/3 of FSU, UGA, UT most years, he likely is there a long time.

Mullen averaged 3.6 SEC wins a year and had 1 season with a SEC winning record.

Sherrill averaged 3.3 SEC wins a year and had 3 seasons with a SEC winning record. He also had a 10 win season and won the west.

Mullen made his money beating shitty out of conference teams.

Comparing Sherrill and Mullen. You have some similarities but also some differences as well.

Sherrill actually came into a good situation. Felker was an excellent recruiter but just was not a good game day coach. Mullen the same as well. Croom left a nice cupboard to work with talent wise. Going back to Sherrill, during the spring and summer of 1991, he commented that the talent surprised him at how good it was.
In 1991, we beat Texas at home, Auburn and LSU on the road, lost very close games to Tennessee and Bama, beat Ole Miss for the first time in Starkvegas since 1942. Sherrill had some talent to work with. He then had solid success up until 2000 w/the exceptions of 1993/95. I credit Coach Sherrill with giving our fan base the confidence that we could compete and beat the big boys in the conference. He did that enough over the years to create a winning atmosphere at State.
Unfortunately, 9/11 happened at the beginning of 2001 and the program fell off the rails that year and then really tanked in 2002-03. That created a situation where Croom had to scorch the program completely and start over. Which he did over a five year period.

When Mullen stepped into the slot in 2009, he was in a good situation and to his credit he built on that foundation.

The difference being that he left Moorhead in great shape in 2017-18 compared to what the program was in 2003-04 when Croom inherited a dumpster fire.

I am forever grateful to Coach Sherrill for what he did for State but it was a shame that at the end it all fell apart.

Trying to compare eras is a slippery slope. Too many variables are different to really get an accurate assessment of how the teams compare.

Overall, Sherrill from 1991-2000 is very similar to Mullen 2009-2017. Both did a lot of good things for our football program and I appreciate both of them for it.

9+ win seasons: Mullen 3 Sherrill 1
Sub .500 seasons: Mullen 2 Sherrill 6
SEC Winning %: Mullen 46% Sherrill 42%
Seasons with 4 wins or fewer: Mullen 0 Sherrill 5
Bowl wins: Mullen 6 Sherrill 2
Overall win percentage: Mullen .600 Sherrill .500

By every measurable statistic, Mullen was a better coach at MSU than Sherrill.