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Posted on 7/24/18 at 7:42 am to Quicksilver
The Croom era was not considered a net positive. It was a wasted 5 years. Him leaving Mullen enough talent to win 9 games (after the bowl) in year 2 does not negate how awful his tenure was.
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 7:56 am to Quicksilver
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the Croom era was considered a net positive
By whom?
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:02 am to peepingcrxxms
Croom inherited the dumpster fires of all dumpster fires. Then because of the derelicts that were a part of the roster in 2004, he had to purge about 20 talented but malcontent players from what was already a weak roster.
2004-2005 were beyond bad for us with the exception of the UF/UK wins in 2004 and the Egg Bowl win in 2005. 2006 we started to turn the corner. Record was only 3-9 but we lost 4 games by 3 points each and were tied w/Arkansas 14-14 in the fourth quarter before losing 28-14. Also beat Bama that year in Tuscaloosa. 2007 was the breakthrough year for Croom. 2008 saw us fall back with an inexplicable loss to La. Tech and then the beatdown by OM in the Egg Bowl.
A change was appropriate at the time but Coach Croom left the program in much better shape than he found it and had laid a solid foundation for Mullen to build on. Additionally, his recruiting class of 2009 that Mullen held on to was superb.
So based on what he walked into in 2003 to what he left from in 2008 is easily a net positive.
Not sure why some of our own fans like to bash him so much. He was a good coach and a class act all the way around.
2004-2005 were beyond bad for us with the exception of the UF/UK wins in 2004 and the Egg Bowl win in 2005. 2006 we started to turn the corner. Record was only 3-9 but we lost 4 games by 3 points each and were tied w/Arkansas 14-14 in the fourth quarter before losing 28-14. Also beat Bama that year in Tuscaloosa. 2007 was the breakthrough year for Croom. 2008 saw us fall back with an inexplicable loss to La. Tech and then the beatdown by OM in the Egg Bowl.
A change was appropriate at the time but Coach Croom left the program in much better shape than he found it and had laid a solid foundation for Mullen to build on. Additionally, his recruiting class of 2009 that Mullen held on to was superb.
So based on what he walked into in 2003 to what he left from in 2008 is easily a net positive.
Not sure why some of our own fans like to bash him so much. He was a good coach and a class act all the way around.
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:09 am to Godawgs4
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Croom inherited the dumpster fires of all dumpster fires.
Could you remind me which coach left the program in the dumpster fire of all dumpster fires
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:21 am to Quicksilver
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Could you remind me which coach left the program in the dumpster fire of all dumpster fires
Asking the guy who already agrees with you?
Sherrill was left twisting in the wind by a gelded AD who should have been put out to pasture years before.
Personally, I appreciate both Croom and Sherril. They did their best with an athletic dept. being run out of a cave
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:29 am to Vecchio Cane
We had a chance to hire Jimbo Fisher but instead we hired Croom.
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:35 am to Vecchio Cane
I appreciate what Sherrill, Croom and Mullen did for our program. The end of Sherrill’s tenure was unfortunate and I know the HC gets the blame when things go wrong but a lot of factors came into play from 2001-2003 that created our downfall (too much to really list here) but it was not all on Sherrill.
But the fact remains that Croom inherited a mess plus we were going on probation then as well. So despite the 45-0 Egg Bowl beat down in 2008, he left the program in solid shape for Mullen, much better than he found it.
But the fact remains that Croom inherited a mess plus we were going on probation then as well. So despite the 45-0 Egg Bowl beat down in 2008, he left the program in solid shape for Mullen, much better than he found it.
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:40 am to Godawgs4
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I appreciate what Sherrill, Croom and Mullen did for our program
yessir
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:00 pm to Quicksilver
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9+ win seasons: Mullen 3 Sherrill 1
Sub .500 seasons: Mullen 2 Sherrill 6
SEC Winning %: Mullen 46% Sherrill 42%
Seasons with 4 wins or fewer: Mullen 0 Sherrill 5
Bowl wins: Mullen 6 Sherrill 2
Overall win percentage: Mullen .600 Sherrill .500
By every measurable statistic, Mullen was a better coach at MSU than Sherrill.
I stated the 1990's, not the last 2 years of his tenure where the program collapsed. They were very similar.
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:22 pm to Reservoir dawg
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I stated the 1990's, not the last 2 years of his tenure where the program collapsed. They were very similar.
Yes, you did. Some folks cant read well.
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:33 pm to djsdawg
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I stated the 1990's, not the last 2 years of his tenure where the program collapsed. They were very similar.
Yes, you did. Some folks cant read well.
I remember that one time Mullen left the program to collapse.
The point is: You guys want to arbitrarily cut the worst years of Sherrill's career and others are using their careers as a whole to make a point.
You can't judget a company because they were in the black 9 years and then went into the red the last year and says "but man, those years before then!"
If Mullen remained at State for the next three years he would have CRUSHED Sherrill. Period. End of discussion.
He left a fantastic team in his wake, and we can do ban bets right now that they won't suddenly have 3 - 9 and 2 - 10 seasons for the next three years.
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