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re: Hiring Unproven Coaches
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:38 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:38 am to Crowknowsbest
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Iowa would just match that. You're probably talking about paying him over $6M plus his buyout to get him to leave.
Maybe, but wouldn't it be worth it to be back in contention? I mean, SEC schools are taking in a whole lot more money with the SEC Network. Dantonio would be a consideration. $4.4 Million and is the 5th highest coach in the Big 10. If I were a Texas A&M and had deep pockets?
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:38 am to DawgsLife
Naw.......hiring unproven coaches never works out. 
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:38 am to DawgsLife
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I mean, was Urban Meyer really considered available? Harbaugh?
Both were unemployed. Meyer had faked a health issue. Harbaugh got canned by the 49ers.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:39 am to DawgsLife
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Maybe, but wouldn't it be worth it to be back in contention? I mean, SEC schools are taking in a whole lot more money with the SEC Network. Dantonio would be a consideration. $4.4 Million and is the 5th highest coach in the Big 10. If I were a Texas A&M and had deep pockets?
Money is not a problem for B1G schools. They have big TV deals too.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:40 am to DawgsLife
Who should they hire if Frost is not experienced enough? No great coach in college will leave his job for another college. Franklin and Fuente have experience but their buyouts are not cheap and they would want top money . The problem with proven coaches is that most of them are proven that they are not the next Saban/Meyer. Guys would could be that good who could be available have slot of baggage like Kiffin and Petrino . Brohm will be a good choice for someone if he does good at Purdue next year.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:40 am to CharlotteSooner
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Naw.......hiring unproven coaches never works out.
Fails more often than not. of course unproven coaches work out sometimes. All you have to look at is the SEC to see how they don't work out more often than not.
For every Kirby Smart, you get a Gus Malzahn or a Jim McIlwaine. (No offense Auburn and Florida fans....but I knew both fan bases are pretty tired of their coaches)
And Orgeron? Please explain that hire.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:43 am to DawgsLife
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For every Kirby Smart, you get a Gus Malzahn or a Jim McIlwaine.
Malzahn and McElwain's issues don't really have anything to do with experience, imo. Malzahn is doing fine, for one thing. McElwain would be a much better fit somewhere out west.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:44 am to DawgsLife
welcome to the coaching search dilemma for a major team. they want a coach that is experienced and already successful at a major program. the major problem with that is those that fit that description are fairly rare and those are already in the top income bracket with huge buy outs. you have to find the unhappy one and pony up big time.
smaller schools and those with lower expectations have it a lot easier. its all about timing and luck. its a crap shoot. the fans take sides and there are always some mad at the final selection. the secrecy that surrounds the search is infuriating but it's necessary and the fans do not understand that.
but no matter what; there is no such thing as the sure thing hire.
smaller schools and those with lower expectations have it a lot easier. its all about timing and luck. its a crap shoot. the fans take sides and there are always some mad at the final selection. the secrecy that surrounds the search is infuriating but it's necessary and the fans do not understand that.
but no matter what; there is no such thing as the sure thing hire.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:45 am to tjv305
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No great coach in college will leave his job for another college.
While it didn't work out Bielema left. Urban, I think, left for the express purpose of going somewhere else.
Tom Herman left. There are lots of midtier coaches out there.
Dantonio would be a good hire. Ferentz. Chris Peterson. Dan Mullen.
For the right money and position i think all would go somewhere else.
I am not necessarily talking about leaving Ohio State or Alabama....just not people going for coordinators when they are capable of pulling a proven coach.
No, proven coaches don't always work out, but I would be willing to bet they do more often than unproven coaches.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:47 am to DawgsLife
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For every Kirby Smart, you get a Gus Malzahn or a Jim McIlwaine.
It's that way everywhere man. I don't pretend to know what's going on at Florida but they're on their 3rd coaching search now since Meyer left and that's pretty ridiculous given that they reside in one of "the big three" recruiting states. I wouldn't call Malzahn a failure. He's frustratingly inconsistent given the talent Auburn gets.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 9:48 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:47 am to Crowknowsbest
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Malzahn is doing fine, for one thing.
He is doing ok, but clearly is not taking Auburn where they want to be.
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McElwain would be a much better fit somewhere out west.
You are probably right. It goes back to the personality/chemistry thing we were talking about earlier.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:47 am to DawgsLife
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Do you think it is based on money....or are the teams scared of being turned down by a proven coach...
ALL teams get turned down. it's behind the scenes dealing through their agents. hell, bama got turned down 3 times before they lucked out with saban.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:48 am to DawgsLife
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I just think UCF coaches goes to a Houston/TCU, then a Houston/TCU coach goes to a Florida or Georgia.
UCF is similar to Houston, although for UF it is significantly better to hire someone from UCF than it would be Houston. Frost now has established in-state connections to rely on in recruiting. It took two years for Mac to get his feet wet.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:48 am to LSU GrandDad
Hey GrandDad, you need to go ahead and show your face in any Astro thread on the MSB.
We’ve been looking for you. There’s a ton of info flowing over there and we’d like your input
We’ve been looking for you. There’s a ton of info flowing over there and we’d like your input
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:49 am to DawgsLife
How many of the top SEC schools hired proven head coaches directly from another top college job (not from a Utah or Akron) in the last 30 years?
The answer: zero
Do you think if Saban didn't want to try the NFL he would have left LSU for Alabama?
This isn't some easy thing to do.
The answer: zero
Do you think if Saban didn't want to try the NFL he would have left LSU for Alabama?
This isn't some easy thing to do.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:51 am to CharlotteSooner
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I wouldn't call Malzahn a failure. He's frustratingly inconsistent given the talent Auburn gets.
Auburn wants National Championships AND consistency. Malzahn's title runs are looking more and more like flukes, and he appears to be too stubborn to do what it takes to correct this.
I know it's tough.
But honestly, does anybody think a proven coach is more of a gamble than an unproven coach or a coordinator. Sometimes they work out. (Richt and Smart) but those are the exceptions and not the rule. Inconsistent is putting it mildly. Auburn fans don't know whether to canonize Malzahn or burn him at the stake.......and that is just this season!
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:51 am to Crowknowsbest
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Money is not a problem for B1G schools. They have big TV deals too
Correct,the vested BIG 10 schools will all make around $12 million more per team/year than SEC schools
Not gonna be near as easy to poach those coaches anymore.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:53 am to roadGator
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How many of the top SEC schools hired proven head coaches directly from another top college job (not from a Utah or Akron) in the last 30 years?
Well, in fairness, Nick Saban was a proven coach. I eman he did a pretty darn impressive job at LSU that paid dividends for them years after he left. I realize Saban is a uniqe animal, but if I am looking for the next Saban, I am looking for somebody with a resume similar to Saban, not a coordinator.
ETA If you look at the shape the SEC is in right now it might give you a correlation as to why we should have been hiring coaches that are a bit more proven. Spurrier(Duke), Urban Meyer(Utah). They did not come from big schools, but schools with better resumes than UCF.
I would have to do a lot of research to know who else has come from bigger schools.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:55 am to DawgsLife
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I am looking for somebody with a resume similar to Saban
Ok. Name them.
And I said college coaches. When Saban was hired by Alabama he wasn't a college coach. They got lucky.
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How many of the top SEC schools hired proven head coaches directly from another top college job
Saban wouldn't have left LSU for Alabama.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:56 am to roadGator
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How many of the top SEC schools hired proven head coaches directly from another top college job (not from a Utah or Akron) in the last 30 years?
Not sure what you mean by a"top college job"but Oklahoma St (Miles) and Wisconsin (Bielima)
are certainly upper tier P5 jobs.
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