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re: Hiring Unproven Coaches
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:02 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:02 am to DawgsLife
You also need to look at circumstances prior to a coach taking over.
Richt came into a talented team, that was winning 8+ games over the previous few years
Smart has taken over a team with talent that was winning 9-10 games
Urban took over a tOSU team that was loaded and had recently competed for a championship.
Generally a new coach isn't hired b/c a team has been performing well. Harbaugh for example did not take over a team that was loaded with talent.
Saban seems to be the exception of coming into a team that wasn't Great and making it great FAST.
Richt came into a talented team, that was winning 8+ games over the previous few years
Smart has taken over a team with talent that was winning 9-10 games
Urban took over a tOSU team that was loaded and had recently competed for a championship.
Generally a new coach isn't hired b/c a team has been performing well. Harbaugh for example did not take over a team that was loaded with talent.
Saban seems to be the exception of coming into a team that wasn't Great and making it great FAST.
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:03 am to DawgsLife
Athletic Departments need to hire Terry Don Phillips as a coaching search consultant. Phillips brought Les Miles and Mike Gundy to Oklahoma State and hired Dabo Swinney when he was a no-name wide receivers coach. The man has a serious knack for recognizing coaching talent.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:04 am to TOSOV
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Holding classes together at uga isnt tough.
It is when your still coaching at Bama in the NC game in January
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Butch hasnt been hard to negative recruit against the last couple yrs.
Butch didn't do much damage to us in recruiting after Pruit got here in '14.
Our biggest in state rivals for recruits are still Clemson and AU and Bama to a lesser extent.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:04 am to DawgsLife
Even some of the "proven" hires lately have not worked out.
I think that model of hiring for the big programs has gone away. The money has taken that out of it. MSU in not at a UF or UGA level but we pay our coach that money. So that "mid tier proven" coach is out of the reasonable pay range. Would UF pay Dan 5.5M starting?
Thats crazy money(granted its in the SEC and some other conferences are not there) but the other coaches are making 2.5 or 3M now. That still throws the starting salary range out of wack. Thus the quickness to fire someone when they dont win in year 2.
I think that model of hiring for the big programs has gone away. The money has taken that out of it. MSU in not at a UF or UGA level but we pay our coach that money. So that "mid tier proven" coach is out of the reasonable pay range. Would UF pay Dan 5.5M starting?
Thats crazy money(granted its in the SEC and some other conferences are not there) but the other coaches are making 2.5 or 3M now. That still throws the starting salary range out of wack. Thus the quickness to fire someone when they dont win in year 2.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:07 am to DawgsLife
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A Arizona State....NC State....Iowa...type of school. Maybe a top 20-30 school.
Those schools have a lot of resources too. Kirk Ferentz is on of the highest paid coaches in America, for example.
There are a lot more "haves" than there used to be, financially.
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I would think a :proven" coach is better [prepared than an assistant or a small school coach, though.
I would argue that personality fit is more important than experience. Reasonable people could disagree, but it takes a different kind of person to balance the on and off field demands of a huge program, and each program has a different environment. Experience at Arizona St doesn't necessarily prepare you for what you might face at Tennessee.
The on-field stuff is the easy part, imo.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:08 am to Bench McElroy
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thletic Departments need to hire Terry Don Phillips as a coaching search consultant. Phillips brought Les Miles and Mike Gundy to Oklahoma State and hired Dabo Swinney when he was a no-name wide receivers coach. The man has a serious knack for recognizing coaching talent.
That's pretty impressive!
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:09 am to MSUmtowndawg
Even some of the "proven" hires lately have not worked out.
I think that model of hiring for the big programs has gone away. The money has taken that out of it. MSU in not at a UF or UGA level but we pay our coach that money. So that "mid tier proven" coach is out of the reasonable pay range. Would UF pay Dan 5.5M starting?
Thats crazy money(granted its in the SEC and some other conferences are not there) but the other coaches are making 2.5 or 3M now. That still throws the starting salary range out of wack. Thus the quickness to fire someone when they dont win in year 2.
Yep, see Arkansas.
I just hope they go young with their next hire.
I think that model of hiring for the big programs has gone away. The money has taken that out of it. MSU in not at a UF or UGA level but we pay our coach that money. So that "mid tier proven" coach is out of the reasonable pay range. Would UF pay Dan 5.5M starting?
Thats crazy money(granted its in the SEC and some other conferences are not there) but the other coaches are making 2.5 or 3M now. That still throws the starting salary range out of wack. Thus the quickness to fire someone when they dont win in year 2.
Yep, see Arkansas.
I just hope they go young with their next hire.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:19 am to MSUmtowndawg
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MSU in not at a UF or UGA level but we pay our coach that money.
23. Kirby Smart (Ga)
22. Mark Stoops (Ky)
20. Butch Jones (Tn)
17. Bret Bielema (Ark)
15. Jim McIlwaine (Fl. Fired)
14. Dan Mullen (Miss. St.)
11. Gus Malzahn (Au)
10. Kevin Sumlin (A&M)
1. Nick Saban (Al)
Coaches Salaries Business Insider 10/28
Found this to be interesting. Coaches salaries. I would think Kirby will be in line for a nice bump, along with some of his assistants.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:20 am to DawgsLife
Frost will not demote to be coach of the gators
# UCF FACTS
# UCF FACTS
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:24 am to thunderbird1100
How did the coaching job in the pro's work out for Saban? Not worth a shite!!! 
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:26 am to Crowknowsbest
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Those schools have a lot of resources too. Kirk Ferentz is on of the highest paid coaches in America, for example.
#13 on the list at $4.5 Million. but, wouldn't you think a nice $500,000.00-1 million a year bump would get his attention? That would put him just a touch above Sumlin.
I don't know. just kicking rocks until Saturday gets here. Finding good fits in coaches are a whole lot harder in real life than it is on the internet. We can all find a good coach we want. getting them to take the money and move is a whole different animal!
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:26 am to UCF_ROCK2017
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Frost will not demote to be coach of the gators
# UCF FACTS
Ouch.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:29 am to DawgsLife
Who is the proven coach that's available and willing to take the UF job knowing the pressure that exists.
All the top 5-10 jobs have this problem.
All the top 5-10 jobs have this problem.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:29 am to Crowknowsbest
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I would argue that personality fit is more important than experience.
Another good point that i agree with. people don't fully understand how personality and chemistry affects everything. I think it has a major impact on why some good coaches struggle at some schools and hit it out of the park in others.
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Experience at Arizona St doesn't necessarily prepare you for what you might face at Tennessee.
I agree, but it comes closer than UCF, I would think.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:29 am to UCF_ROCK2017
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Frost will not demote to be coach of the gators
Post more.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:30 am to DawgsLife
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#13 on the list at $4.5 Million. but, wouldn't you think a nice $500,000.00-1 million a year bump would get his attention?
Iowa would just match that. You're probably talking about paying him over $6M plus his buyout to get him to leave.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:32 am to hogcard1964
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I just hope they go young with their next hire.
Me too- I can't think of more than less than (on purpose) a handful of big school coaches I'd even want to try. They're going to do mediocre there and I somehow expect them to do well here?
I wouldn't think Florida or any other school would be too excited over hiring someone proven to be meh- take a chance on someone who might be great. If they don't work out, try again.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:34 am to roadGator
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Who is the proven coach that's available and willing to take the UF job knowing the pressure that exists.
Who knows? I mean, was Urban Meyer really considered available? Harbaugh? Tom Herman or Jimbo Fisher? You really don't know until you go out and ask. I wouldn't fire a coach until I had a pretty good idea what was out there to replace him with, though. If you make a bad hire you are stuck with the guy for the next 4-5 years. Florida has fired two coaches in the last three years now. They really don't want to make a misstep here, or it could really damage their ability to hire anybody for quite awhile.
Again...I am not criticizing Florida by any means, as Georgia has done the same thing.
But lets face it....Herman got a job, and other top coaches have gotten offers. You never know if somebody is available until you see what their demands are.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:36 am to DawgsLife
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I agree, but it comes closer than UCF, I would think.
Neither are close enough to really be applicable, in my opinion.
Using UGA as an example, I would argue that a charismatic coordinator from FSU or Alabama would have a smoother cultural transition to being the HC at UGA than someone who was the HC at Iowa.
They know all the high school coaches, know where to get players, are at least familiar with the booster situation, can walk into Touchdown clubs and be immediately comfortable, know the media members personally, etc.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:37 am to DawgsLife
You don't think they are asking their list of candidates if they are "available" through their agents?
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