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Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:59 am to Prominentwon
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Hey GrandDad, you need to go ahead and show your face in any Astro thread on the MSB. We’ve been looking for you. There’s a ton of info flowing over there and we’d like your input
you have a good memory.
I was pulling for the dodgers and they lost. I still hate the American league and hate the way the astros got hosed to change leagues. but you want me to eat crow and the best i'll give you is that when you are the worst team in the majors for 4 years and get all of those high draft picks you should end up with a good team. that formula is not the tough one; the tough one is when those first fat contracts come due.
but congrats are in order for the astros; not you.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:00 am to roadGator
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And I said college coaches. When Saban was hired by Alabama he wasn't a college coach. They got lucky.
But that isn't the point I was making with the OP. Don't change the OP to fit your narrative.
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Ok. Name them.
I have been naming them. Peterson, Dantonio, Ferentz, Holgorson would all make good candidates.
Look...my point is so many schools are not even looking or talking to some of these guys, but are going straight to coordinators and small schools.
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Saban wouldn't have left LSU for Alabama.
I think he would have. But neither of us can say for sure.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:01 am to DawgsLife
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It seems like Florida could/should go for a proven coach at a major university.
Who are these proven coaches at major universities that Florida would be able to get?
Who were the last few proven coaches from major universities that jumped ship for a different university?
Bert is the only one I can think of.
Is Vanderbilt a major university if so add James Franklin.
I would think getting a coach from a mid major is your best shot at a knock out hire as the proven coaches don't normally win conference championships then leave for another progam.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:02 am to DawgsLife
I've made this argument with LSU fans a few times but in recent history, what PROVEN coaches have left a major university for another P5 job?
The only one I can think of is Steve Sarkisian leaving UW for USC. Maybe you can consider Kiffin leaving UT but I wouldn't call him proven.
The fact is, Proven coaches don't leave P5 gigs to go elsewhere. It just doesn't happen. Every proven coach has either been hired as an up and comer and proven to be the real deal or took a shot at coaching in the NFL before returning to college. Urban Myer is an exception considering he stepped down due to health issues.
I'll change my tune if anyone can give me one example from the last 20 years of a proven coach from a P5 school leaving and going to an equivalent school without MAJOR ties to that school like Sark to USC.
The only one I can think of is Steve Sarkisian leaving UW for USC. Maybe you can consider Kiffin leaving UT but I wouldn't call him proven.
The fact is, Proven coaches don't leave P5 gigs to go elsewhere. It just doesn't happen. Every proven coach has either been hired as an up and comer and proven to be the real deal or took a shot at coaching in the NFL before returning to college. Urban Myer is an exception considering he stepped down due to health issues.
I'll change my tune if anyone can give me one example from the last 20 years of a proven coach from a P5 school leaving and going to an equivalent school without MAJOR ties to that school like Sark to USC.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:02 am to DawgsLife
Florida has more players as a state but everybody is down there trying to pluck players. I'm not sure I wouldn't rather recruit as the Georgia coach. I think it's a lot harder to pull players from there when UGA is good than from Florida, even if the Big 3 are going well. There aren't as many players, but I think generally they are probably more home-state loyal.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:03 am to DawgsLife
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It seems like Florida could/should go for a proven coach at a major university. Why do they go for coaches at smallish schools and hope they can run a much larger pressure cooker like Florida?
What established home run hire coach is willing to leave a cushy job and go to Florida though? Don't get me wrong, Florida is a great university and has a ton of talent in their backyard but the pressure to win and win big is going to be sky high walking in the door.
The grass is not always greener at a new job. Just ask Bielema who left a top 15 program at Wisconsin for Arkansas where he has been a colossal flop because he just can't get a handle on the style of football the SEC plays.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:05 am to roadGator
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50% of those two worked out OK for a while.
Not a sure thing.
Have you looked at the success rate of the coordinators and small school coaches? Freeze, McElwaine, Malzahn, Orgeron and that is just in the SEC.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:05 am to DawgsLife
For starters Bielema was never a top coach. He got luck with some of his division titles at Wisconsin and he took over while the team was good.
Herman was a head coach at Houston for 2 years just like Frost who is in his second year at UCF . Herman was an OC for a bigger program.
Ferentz, Peterson and Miles already make good money . It highly likely that none of them will be the next Saban or Meyer. Maybe Peterson but he is at his dream job. I think these guys are less likely to fail miserly but the improve guys like Frost are more likely to become the next Meyer.
Herman was a head coach at Houston for 2 years just like Frost who is in his second year at UCF . Herman was an OC for a bigger program.
Ferentz, Peterson and Miles already make good money . It highly likely that none of them will be the next Saban or Meyer. Maybe Peterson but he is at his dream job. I think these guys are less likely to fail miserly but the improve guys like Frost are more likely to become the next Meyer.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:06 am to roadGator
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50% of those two worked out OK for a while.
Not a sure thing.
Well,how successful they were wasn't the issue.
You just wanted names of coaches who left top P5 jobs for the SEC
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:07 am to DawgsLife
Again, name me the coach that's proven, at a top school, that's available...
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:07 am to RD Dawg
I don't really call OKie State a top job. That's just my opinion though. Wisconsin that's borderline too.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:12 am to Milk
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Who are these proven coaches at major universities that Florida would be able to get?
Read the thread...I have named several and am tired of repeating them. And the point isn't that they would definitely come. Who knows until they are asked. the point is schools that don't bother looking at them.
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Who were the last few proven coaches from major universities that jumped ship for a different university?
I said major Universities, but meant more along the lines of proven coaches. Think a few minutes and you will be able to think of several. Urban Meyer (Yes, he was out of coaching, but he clearly did not have health issues and left Florida to get another major job)
Nick Saban was out there. Harbaugh.
All of these coaches were available, and there are good coaches at schools that MIGHT leave to go to Florida. I will name several one more time:
Holgerson
Petersen
Dantonio
Ferentz
Mullen
Gundy
Whittington
Crap, Mark Stoops has done a pretty good job at Kentucky considering what he has to work with.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:12 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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recent history, what PROVEN coaches have left a major university for another P5 job?
Ok,how bout Les from Oklahoma St and Bielima from Wisconsin?
Now you've qualified with the word "proven" so I'm sure it'll be a subjective answer.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:13 am to roadGator
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I don't really call OKie State a top job. That's just my opinion though. Wisconsin that's borderline too.
Guys...I am not talking about top 10 jobs to top 10 jobs.
I am talking about mid tier and major colleges...something more than a coordinator or small school coach.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:15 am to roadGator
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Again, name me the coach that's proven, at a top school, that's available...
I have named several 3 or 4 times. I am not going to continue naming coaches every time somebody finds the thread because they don't want to read.
No offense to you, but I just named some again. And by proven I don't mean the necessarily have to have won a national Championship.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:16 am to LSU GrandDad
I’m not The only one wanting to see you in those threads.
Post this in the World Champion Thread
Post this in the World Champion Thread
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:17 am to roadGator
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don't really call OKie State a top job. That's just my opinion though. Wisconsin that's borderline too.
Both are top 25 jobs.If your talking top 10 or 5 jobs then
Obviously it's a far more difficult especially with contracts and buyouts.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:17 am to tjv305
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For starters Bielema was never a top coach.
He went to the Rose Bowl twice.
But in your world a coordinator or small school coach would have been better? Please read the thread to see what we are talking about.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:19 am to DawgsLife
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Holgerson - no way Petersen - West coast guy Dantonio - perhaps too old Ferentz - too old Mullen -happy at MSU Gundy - doubt he'd leave but would like him Whittington - don't know him unless you mean Whittingham
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