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re: Hiring Unproven Coaches
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:21 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:21 am to DawgsLife
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It seems like Florida could/should go for a proven coach at a major university.
Since the BCS era, only two coaches directly hired from another P5 university have made multiple BCS/NY6 Bowl games or better
The idea that you can just pull an elite coach from another major university is a myth
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:21 am to DawgsLife
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Auburn wants National Championships AND consistency.
I would argue that with any given hire, AU has about a 5% chance to achieve that, given what they're up against geographically.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:22 am to tjv305
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Herman was a head coach at Houston for 2 years just like Frost who is in his second year at UCF . Herman was an OC for a bigger program.
I would call Houston a better gig than UCF. More pressure and brighter spotlight. I understand, though, if you disagree.
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Ferentz, Peterson and Miles already make good money .
Florida can afford to give them much more than what they are making, though.
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It highly likely that none of them will be the next Saban or Meyer.
Do you honestly believe it is more likely that frost is the next Saban or Meyer? Really? A lot of people thought McElwaine was.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:24 am to DawgsLife
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Florida can afford to give them much more than what they are making, though.
That's not really they question. Florida can't afford to pay them much more than their current employers can afford to pay them.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:24 am to DawgsLife
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Money. Michigan gave Harbaugh $9 million or $10 million, so that's one way/reason a coach would switch. You get $9 million a year for three years, then get fired with another $9million buyout......you wouldn't go to another school? I don't necessarily mean go after a Urban Meyer....but even LSU went after Fisher and Herman.
The thing is we are talking about the difference in taking an unproven assistant coach, or coach at a very small school over a coach from TCU, Houston or some other mid tier program.
There were specific factors. 1) He was asked to leave. 2) He went to his alma mater. 3) The money was big, but it wasn't the reason he jumped.
Your last point illustrates the reality. LSU went after Fisher and didn't get him, because Fisher had no intention of leaving. Herman wasn't a proven coach. He took another man's roster and won several games in 1 season. Heck, Gus did that.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:25 am to DawgsLife
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Holgerson
Petersen
Dantonio
Ferentz
Mullen
Gundy
Whittington
None on that list is realistic except for maybe Ferentz or Holgerson
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:25 am to Crowknowsbest
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I would argue that with any given hire, AU has about a 5% chance to achieve that, given what they're up against geographically.
And it would be a legitimate argument. It's probably the same for everybody, though. I mean, we are geographically close and have the same poachers coming into our state.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:27 am to DawgsLife
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And it would be a legitimate argument. It's probably the same for everybody, though. I mean, we are geographically close and have the same poachers coming into our state.
True, but being a state flagship university helps.
Auburn has historically struggled with consistency, no matter who their coach is.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:29 am to RD Dawg
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None on that list is realistic except for maybe Ferentz or Holgerson
A lot of people would say the same for Saban and Meyer, before thy were hired. I mean, they might NOT be reasonable and might turn Florida down. But Florida isn't even considering them, and that is my point. If i was in the mess Florida is in right now, I would hire one of those proven coaches to get the program steady again, then maybe go for someone that could get us to the next level. If they hire Frost and he does not pan out, they will be in big, big trouble. They really need a proven coach to steady the boat right now, imo.
I was surprised that Meyer went to Ohio St., or Harbaugh went back to college, or Saban went back to college.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:31 am to DawgsLife
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A lot of people would say the same for Saban and Meyer,
Meyer was unemployed when OSU hired him. Harbaugh was unemployed. Saban was struggling with the Dolphins.
It's not as simple as just going and making it happen.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:33 am to DawgsLife
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I was surprised that Meyer went to Ohio St.
Meyer didn't have a job and one of his favorite schools opened up. Not sure what made that surprising.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:34 am to DawgsLife
Campbell is a hot commodity now along with Fleck at Minnesota but I'm not sure they qualify as " proven"
Well Meyer was out of coaching and got a Rolls Royce job and I think Saban leaving for Bama was more of a control issue but I understand the point you're making
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Saban and Meyer, before thy were hired. I mean, they might
Well Meyer was out of coaching and got a Rolls Royce job and I think Saban leaving for Bama was more of a control issue but I understand the point you're making
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:35 am to DawgsLife
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None on that list is realistic except for maybe Ferentz or Holgerson
A lot of people would say the same for Saban and Meyer, before thy were hired.
Nobody with any knowledge of either situation would say they weren't realistic.
In Saban's case bama went to the alter with Rich Rod only to be left for the very reasons nobody every gets a P5 coach to leave, but that was back when it was easier to get a coach from the Big East cause of their conference issues. One could argue Saban picked bama as the place he wanted to return to CFB.
Meyer's case was sort of an alma mater issue. tOSU is his mecca. These are the only circumstances big coaches go to programs. CSS chose South Carolina because he failed in the NFL and he saw an opportunity that most wouldn't have seen. You could argue he picked South Carolina.
Bret "Burt" got lucky...things weren't as rosy at Wisconsin as it might have seemed and he beat Long on the deal.
Coaches mostly use schools to get themselves a raise.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:06 am to bgator85
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Meyer didn't have a job and one of his favorite schools opened up. Not sure what made that surprising.
Because he had "health" issues? He obviously wanted another top job. Most reasonable people consider Florida a top 10 job.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:34 am to DawgsLife
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But Florida isn't even considering them
You keep saying this as fact. How do you know who they're talking to or trying to go after?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:41 am to I_heart_beer
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You keep saying this as fact. How do you know who they're talking to or trying to go after?
Ok, let me put it another way. I have not heard any of these names mentioned in connection to the Florida job.
ETA
I am not trollling Florida, or even saying thta is the way Florida should go. I am merely noticing that certain programs seem to go after coordinators and/or small college coaches. One of those schools is typically Georgia, soo.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:49 am to RD Dawg
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Campbell is a hot commodity now along with Fleck at Minnesota but I'm not sure they qualify as " proven"
Maybe instead of saying proven, a better word might have been experienced. I mean, I think Kirby said he thought the job at Georgia would be easier than his coordinators job at Alabama. (Seems like he said something to that affect) A coach with more experience would have known all the demands. I mean, Kirby went through a learning curve last year.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:51 am to DawgsLife
Everything you've been hearing about the Florida job is pure speculation and rumor, Stricklin hasn't said anything definitive. But even then, I've heard rumors/speculation Mullen, Taggart, Fuente, etc. being thrown around as possible candidates. Those seem to be just the type of coaches you're saying aren't being talked about. They're relatively successful, at mid-tier or better schools, and have had more than just a year or 2 of success.
ETA: Not saying we're not going to end up with Frost, but the rumor mill throws those big names around just as much as the small names.
ETA: Not saying we're not going to end up with Frost, but the rumor mill throws those big names around just as much as the small names.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:21 pm to DawgsLife
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I am not trollling Florida, or even saying thta is the way Florida should go. I am merely noticing that certain programs seem to go after coordinators and/or small college coaches. One of those schools is typically Georgia, soo.
Guys that have been at P5 programs for a while, I think you start to believe you know what their ceiling is. Right or wrong, they don't elicit the same excitement because while they may be winners many don't feel they are just a Florida-type program away from winning a championship. The potential of the G5 coaches is a big part of the appeal.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:28 pm to RD Dawg
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RD Dawg
you know as well a I do that it has to do with more than just the AD...at every program there are behind the scenes donors etc. who really call the shots...cause they pay the bills...I don't think EARS had a choice in Kirby...UGA eyes have been on the man since 2012..maybe earlier.
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