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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:37 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:37 pm to RD Dawg
Ok,how bout Les from Oklahoma St and Bielima from Wisconsin?
Now you've qualified with the word "proven" so I'm sure it'll be a subjective answer.
Bielema was a mirage. He never accomplished much on his own while at Wisconsin. He was more the beneficiary of Alvarez' program. It's now come to light that he (Alvarez) was still running the show as an A.D. while Bielema was on the field. It's also obvious since he's actually making Arkansas worse moreso than better.
Now you've qualified with the word "proven" so I'm sure it'll be a subjective answer.
Bielema was a mirage. He never accomplished much on his own while at Wisconsin. He was more the beneficiary of Alvarez' program. It's now come to light that he (Alvarez) was still running the show as an A.D. while Bielema was on the field. It's also obvious since he's actually making Arkansas worse moreso than better.
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:45 pm to hogcard1964
Arkansas is two recruiting classes away from fixing the dumpster fire that Bert has started.
Someone who has experience and can come in and hit the ground running to right the ship.
BMFP comes to mind.
The longer Bert stays the deeper the hole gets.
Someone who has experience and can come in and hit the ground running to right the ship.
BMFP comes to mind.
The longer Bert stays the deeper the hole gets.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:31 pm to DawgsLife
I think your getting closer now , you just have the wrong Stoops. The guys you named have been at their school for a long time . Some are already making 4 million a year . Peterson is the newer coach out of your group but he is at his dream job and he is a West cost guy. If a guy is really good then he normally gets a big time job right away.
Out of the last 10 teams to win a national championship 1 head coach left a P5 school to go to the better P5 program and won a national championship and that was Miles who was at Oklahoma State for 4 years then left for LSU. 2 teams won championships with Coordinators (Dabo and Jimbo )that were promoted to head coaches . 1 coach(Meyer) left a not P5 team after 2 years there . The rest of the championships were by Saban after he quit the NFL and Meyer after he Quit UF for a year. Kelly and Bob Stoops should be on the top of your list along with Franklin and Fuente . Those are the guys that fit the profile. Personality I think your list is a joke for coaches to take over at elite schools and do good. They are not guys that are likely to get a top notch P5 job. I think Chip Kelly , Kiffin , Frost , Strong , Brohm , Norvell and Petrino have a better chance to get a top job and win championships then your list .Petrino is a P5 guy but he hasn’t been at Louisville that long in this stint with the team .
Out of the last 10 teams to win a national championship 1 head coach left a P5 school to go to the better P5 program and won a national championship and that was Miles who was at Oklahoma State for 4 years then left for LSU. 2 teams won championships with Coordinators (Dabo and Jimbo )that were promoted to head coaches . 1 coach(Meyer) left a not P5 team after 2 years there . The rest of the championships were by Saban after he quit the NFL and Meyer after he Quit UF for a year. Kelly and Bob Stoops should be on the top of your list along with Franklin and Fuente . Those are the guys that fit the profile. Personality I think your list is a joke for coaches to take over at elite schools and do good. They are not guys that are likely to get a top notch P5 job. I think Chip Kelly , Kiffin , Frost , Strong , Brohm , Norvell and Petrino have a better chance to get a top job and win championships then your list .Petrino is a P5 guy but he hasn’t been at Louisville that long in this stint with the team .
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:39 pm to LarryCLE
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Spurrier only had one more season of college head coaching experience than Frost does when he was hired by Florida. Not saying Frost is without risk, but you never really know.
Yes, but he also had three years as the head coach of the Tampa Bay Bandits in the USFL and they were a pretty good team....USFL had some real talent.
I never understood why LSU did not hire him with that resume at that time in late 1986....I know why, I just don't KNOW why the LSU people thought the way they did at the time
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:49 pm to DawgsLife
LSU went out and hired a proven failure at head coach.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:53 pm to DawgsLife
Proven winners are a tough pull. They are entrenched at a good program and obviously enjoying success.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:17 pm to Herman Frisco
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Arkansas is two recruiting classes away from fixing the dumpster fire that Bert has started. Someone who has experience and can come in and hit the ground running to right the ship. BMFP comes to mind. The longer Bert stays the deeper the hole gets.
Agree, it's a mess. Have you seen the Kansas St. message board regarding Butters Bielema? I guess they're also not too enamored with the thought of being mentioned as their head coach next season.
If even a fraction of some of this is true, Long is FOS.
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:32 pm to DawgsLife
Frost is only one might not get the SEC experience. That is why MIZZOU do well against non SEC teams that is not a power 5 or an average power 5 team. That might help if coach given 5 years to make it work than 3 years or less.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:40 pm to LarryCLE
What that mean? Might as well flip a coin that one side is good and the other side is bad.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:41 pm to tjv305
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I think your getting closer now , you just have the wrong Stoops.
I'm not saying you have to win the National Championship. All I am saying is someone that can get you guys back on course. But, yes, Bob Stoops would fulfill the criteria. I am saying it is easier to get a steady coach in there and get you moving in the right direction...then get the coach to put you over the top. If you take a chance on a coordinator or small school coach and miss again, it could get ugly for you.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:42 pm to DawgsLife
Hasn't that been the problem so far with Florida?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:46 pm to Commander Data
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Proven winners are a tough pull. They are entrenched at a good program and obviously enjoying success.
Proven winner as someone that does a good job like at Okie State, TCU, Houston, etc? It's happened fairly often. I am not talking about somebody who is absolutely dominating. I am talking about a coach who is coaching at a school that is a challenge and has many obstacles to overcome. They lose more often because their school makes it difficult.
Mullen at MState.
Stanford...schools that are top 20-30, but not top 10 type schools. Find a young energetic coach that has ambition and wants to move up to a top tier school, which is what Florida is.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:47 pm to TrueLefty
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Hasn't that been the problem so far with Florida?
What? Going after coordinators instead of seasoned coaches? If that is what you are asking....then yes. That is my opinion. They have not made many good hires lately. They hit two homeruns and have struggled since they left.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:51 pm to Crowknowsbest
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True, but being a state flagship university helps.
I know Auburn makes this argument, but I never understood it. As a recruit I couldn't care less if it were a state school or not. Maybe I am missing the nuances of the argument?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:51 pm to tjv305
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Chip Kelly , Kiffin , Frost , Strong , Brohm , Norvell and Petrino
Kelly-maybe
Kiffin-not a freakin prayer but some big time school will take a chance out of desperation
Frost-incomplete data but there's nothing special in his background to make me think he's NC material
Strong-Failed at Texas enough said
Brohm-No
Norvell-might have a chance
Petrino-Why does he even get a mention?He's beyond played out.Hell,look at his record on the road vs ranked teams...flat out emarrasing. Like Mike Leach and the AR,his offense doesn't travel well
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:54 pm to bgator85
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Guys that have been at P5 programs for a while, I think you start to believe you know what their ceiling is. Right or wrong, they don't elicit the same excitement because while they may be winners many don't feel they are just a Florida-type program away from winning a championship. The potential of the G5 coaches is a big part of the appeal.
I think this is closer to the truth.
Two things.
1. Save money
2. catch lightening in a bottle. People want the flavor of the month. The next hot hire. They take their eyes off the important issues and focus on the popular guy.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:06 pm to DawgsLife
That is the AD doing!
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:10 pm to JOJO Hammer
What!? LSU did beat MIZZOU last year in a blowout! 
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:17 pm to RD Dawg
How is Kiffin not a freaking prayer but then you say he some schools will give him a shot out of desperation?
Who are the coaches that coached at a P5 school for 5 years or more and left that job for a better one? When is the last time someone meeting your standards won a national championship? Great coaches get better jobs right away .
Who are the coaches that coached at a P5 school for 5 years or more and left that job for a better one? When is the last time someone meeting your standards won a national championship? Great coaches get better jobs right away .
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:20 pm to TrueLefty
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That is the AD doing!
Ok?
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