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re: Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 10:59 am to RummelTiger
Posted on 8/5/13 at 10:59 am to RummelTiger
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re: Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players? (Posted on 8/5/13 at 10:53 am to cornstarch) quote: This is the aspect that Rummel and others have a problem grasping. Upperaltiger06 isn't saying that the NCAA should pay athletes, but he is saying WHY should the NCAA stop a player from gaining money off of THEMSELVES; as in writing an autograph on a NON-licensed NCAA item, etc. No, I'm grasping everything, but I refuse to argue hypotheticals. It doesn't matter WHY the NCAA does it, it doesn't matter IF I agree or don't agree with it, and it doesn't matter if it's ethical or non-ethical for the schools, the NCAA, ESPN, or whomever to prosper of the athletes. What matters is that the rules that are in place are the rules that have to be followed. I could care less if the likes of Manziel want to seel their autographs and prosper off of it but, as of now, the NCAA prohibits that. What Upper is doing is arguing what if's, and ain't nobody got time fo dat. So, like I said, if he's so upset by the fact, then he can write his congressman, picket outside of Jordan-Hare, or go on a hunger strike to influence a rule change.
Doesn't matter why the rules are in place? I bet you watch a lot of Fox News.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 11:04 am to RummelTiger
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It doesn't matter WHY the NCAA does it, it doesn't matter IF I agree or don't agree with it, and it doesn't matter if it's ethical or non-ethical for the schools, the NCAA, ESPN, or whomever to prosper of the athletes. What matters is that the rules that are in place are the rules that have to be followed.
This.
It's like the players who get busted for smoking pot. "Well it should be legal". But it isn't and that's irrelevant.
There are rules in place. Rules that players are completely aware of. Deciding to break those rules will result in negative consequences.
What makes JFF's case so sad is that he comes from a well off family. He didn't really need the money. Dumb.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 11:14 am to Upperaltiger06
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Doesn't matter why the rules are in place?
Never said that, but good try.
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I bet you watch a lot of Fox News.
Again with a pointless point... And no, I don't.
What's next? Do you want to argue the pros/cons of using a unicorn to haul hay rides?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 11:21 am to Upperaltiger06
You know what bothers me?
TD making MASSIVE profit off of the SECr and specifically, posters like you who work very hard, contributing original, thought provoking, meaningful, intelligent topics and threads for all of the other posters to enjoy and participate.
I mean, do they offer to share their revenue? I haven't gotten a check, NOT EVEN A THANK YOU CARD, for fricks sake. I mean, what's going on around here? People like you and I stay up all night and take VALUABLE TIME away from our work days to contribute these awesome threads and discussion topics and we get what... NOTHING!?!?!
fricking capitalist frickers, the lot of them. If they don't do something about this ridiculous abuse of SECr talent, we'll be forced to leave this stupid place and start our OWN RANT BOARD!!!!
Power to the posters.
TD making MASSIVE profit off of the SECr and specifically, posters like you who work very hard, contributing original, thought provoking, meaningful, intelligent topics and threads for all of the other posters to enjoy and participate.
I mean, do they offer to share their revenue? I haven't gotten a check, NOT EVEN A THANK YOU CARD, for fricks sake. I mean, what's going on around here? People like you and I stay up all night and take VALUABLE TIME away from our work days to contribute these awesome threads and discussion topics and we get what... NOTHING!?!?!
fricking capitalist frickers, the lot of them. If they don't do something about this ridiculous abuse of SECr talent, we'll be forced to leave this stupid place and start our OWN RANT BOARD!!!!
Power to the posters.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:15 pm to Upperaltiger06
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You're right. Spending five years on that sociology diploma will really pay dividends.
You are right in the fact that the only thing kids get from playing college football is the degree and a shot at the NFL. There is no other benefit...
Heath Shuler is a U.S. Representative and owns his own Real Estate company because of his intellect and success in the NFL. It has nothing to do with his popularity as a college QB at UT.
Was Will Bartholomew able to make the connections to found D1 Sports based on his illustrious NFL career (two weeks in training camp)?
I'm sure J.C. Watts would have been a Congressman had he not played a down at Oklahoma.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:30 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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NorthGwinnettTiger
Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players?
Well, if the NCAA is gonna be the farm system for the NFL and not MLB or NBA, they need to compensate the athletes. Why give basketball and baseball highschool athletes more advantages than a football player
The U.S. Department of Education would have something to say about that. Inconvenient thing called Title IX.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:37 pm to RummelTiger
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RummelTiger
Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players?
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Doesn't bother me, but they should receive a percentage of the bowl money
The only way you could do it was to have each school hand out the same amount of money to each player. Otherwise, the recruiting implications would absolutely destroy smaller schools.
Not good enough. You can't give anything to a male athlete that you don't give to a female athlete. And like you said, it would have to be equal for all schools. So every college athlete would have to get the same amount of money.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:41 pm to Upperaltiger06
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Upperaltiger06
Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players?
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No question. And then there would be lawsuits from the smaller schools who aren't making money. Keep in mind, only about 10 schools are actually running in the black
What if the players were making money not through the university, but privately as this JFF incident?
Do you guys really want us Gumps to be able to privately funnel as much money as we want to our players...legally? Sounds good to me. Saban can promise the next stud running back $500,000 a year in autograph payments through private sources.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:46 pm to Upperaltiger06
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Upperaltiger06
Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players?
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Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players? Dude, I can't help that you're stupid and not athletic. Write your congressman, picket outside Jordan-Hare, go on a fricking hunger strike until athletes get paid. I don't care. Have a good night.
Stupid? At least I can explain my argument.
I'm a litte late to the party here, but I'm guessing that one reason he is probably calling you stupid is that you obviously can't grasp the implications for college football if the University of Alabama and Nick Saban can suddenly legally organize boosters through private channels to pay players an unlimited amount of cash for signing autographs or washing cars. That is what you're saying should be legal, right?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:48 pm to madmaxvol
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madmaxvol
I'm sure J.C. Watts would have been a Congressman had he not played a down at Oklahoma.
If he'd played at Texas, he probably would have been President. Damn shame.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:49 pm to dcrews
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It's like the players who get busted for smoking pot. "Well it should be legal". But it isn't and that's irrelevant.
But in this case the coaches, admin, etc. are profiting from the players while telling the player that they cannot. So that be like the coach passing out piss cups while lighting a doobie.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:50 pm to RummelTiger
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It doesn't matter WHY the NCAA does it,
So explain this.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:52 pm to Upperaltiger06
It's kind of a symbiotic relationship is it not? Does Cam Newton sign a massive Under Armour endorsement deal as a rookie QB in the NFL without ESPN putting his face all over TV for a year while he was at Auburn? Probably not. ESPN makes money off of them, but the tradeoff is that ESPN gets them free publicity that can later boost their earning potential when they become professionals.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 1:01 pm to Upperaltiger06
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You're right. Spending five years on that sociology diploma will really pay dividends.
Better than no diploma most of them would have received without football. Maybe they do deserve a little cash for spending, etc, but at Bama they get a three meals a day prepared by a chef hired by the athletic department. They have access to sick facilities which include entertainment, pools, and state of the art fitness equipment. They are well taken care of.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 1:04 pm to LSU GrandDad
It's easy to agree that college athletes should get paid. But what's not so easy is the "how to do it" part. If you pay JFF, you have to pay the second team girl's volly ball player the same amount. And the last place player on the girl's golf team. To keep it easy, let's say each school has 10 girls' sports, with 14 on each team, for a total of 140 female athletes ( the girls' track teams blows this out of the waters but keeping it easy). Add in another 140 male athelets in other sports. So you have a total of 280 athletes plus the 85 on football scholarships. The big boys in college sports can afford this, but with only a very few schools breaking even in sports funding, where does this new money come from? The NCAA is the obvious answer:but, again, be specific in the "how to do" part.LSU probably could, bama, UT, etc. But what about ULLL or the weenies? Other questions: Does JFF get paid more than the third team TE? Since they are getting paid now, do they continue to get a free education?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 1:06 pm to Bama Bird
When players are allowed to sell their autographs etc, you open the door for jealousy over the income disparity among players.
Instead of team work, kids are encouraged to want individual stats to enhance their earnings for autographs and commercials for local and even national brands.
Instead of team work, kids are encouraged to want individual stats to enhance their earnings for autographs and commercials for local and even national brands.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 1:08 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players? It's easy to agree that college athletes should get paid. But what's not so easy is the "how to do it" part. If you pay JFF, you have to pay the second team girl's volly ball player the same amount. And the last place player on the girl's golf team. To keep it easy, let's say each school has 10 girls' sports, with 14 on each team, for a total of 140 female athletes ( the girls' track teams blows this out of the waters but keeping it easy). Add in another 140 male athelets in other sports. So you have a total of 280 athletes plus the 85 on football scholarships. The big boys in college sports can afford this, but with only a very few schools breaking even in sports funding, where does this new money come from? The NCAA is the obvious answer:but, again, be specific in the "how to do" part.LSU probably could, bama, UT, etc. But what about ULLL or the weenies? Other questions: Does JFF get paid more than the third team TE? Since they are getting paid now, do they continue to get a free education?
Again.....I'm not talking about the university paying the player. I'm speaking of 3rd parties......just like the JFF scenario.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:17 pm to Upperaltiger06
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The players take all the risk while the school and ESPN make huge profits.
Maybe the players should form a union, right comrade ?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 2:17 pm to Upperaltiger06
I think all pro sports should follow the baseball model. You can go play in a minor league system and work your way up to the top level after high school or you can go play college for 3 years and then enter the draft.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:18 pm to Upperaltiger06
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Upperaltiger06
Again.....I'm not talking about the university paying the player. I'm speaking of 3rd parties......just like the JFF scenario.
So once again...just to be clear...you are advocating that the University of Alabama and Nick Saban, through private boosters, be able to develop a system where those third party boosters can create an organization where players who come to Alabama can legally be paid an unlimited sum of money. Right?
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