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re: Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:20 pm to reel_gator8
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:20 pm to reel_gator8
Something needs to be done. I'm not proposing paying students, or even allowing them to profit directly from image or name but we are seeing more and more about athletes stealing, selling drugs, selling whatever. The fact is these kids cannot get a job to earn extra money to spend that will allow them to participate in normal college activities. 1200-2000 a month to spend as needed would not be too much.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:22 pm to Upperaltiger06
My thoughts:
1. College athletes know what they are signing up for.
2. They get payment via scholarships, college degrees, and the fun of playing the game.
3. If they are good enough, they get a golden ticket to a professional league.
1. College athletes know what they are signing up for.
2. They get payment via scholarships, college degrees, and the fun of playing the game.
3. If they are good enough, they get a golden ticket to a professional league.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:22 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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and you're telling me because I play football, I have to stay broke for 3 years before I'm eligible to get paid?
Yep. And, guess what, they keep doing it year after year.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:25 pm to Upperaltiger06
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Must be why ESPN and the schools do it, too. The love of the game. What's Herbstreit's salary? And the coaches.....love of the game. What's the lowest salary in the SEC?
This is a horrible retort...horrible, and nonsensical.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:26 pm to RummelTiger
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How come nobody clamors for HS athletes? As athletes that make money for their school/district, do you think that they need to be paid as well?
If someone is willing to pay for their autographs, then yea, I'd say they deserve that money. That has nothing to do with the high school or their relationship to the athlete.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:28 pm to centexag06
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I'm not proposing paying students, or even allowing them to profit directly from image or name but we are seeing more and more about athletes stealing, selling drugs, selling whatever.
No we're not, we just hear about it more now.
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The fact is these kids cannot get a job to earn extra money to spend that will allow them to participate in normal college activities.
What? They can get jobs, they just have to actually work at them.
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1200-2000 a month to spend as needed would not be too much.
lol... to every fricking kid on the team? And for how many months - just during the season, the school year, or entire calendar year?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:29 pm to RummelTiger
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quote: Must be why ESPN and the schools do it, too. The love of the game. What's Herbstreit's salary? And the coaches.....love of the game. What's the lowest salary in the SEC?
It makes perfect sense. If Saban isn't paid to coach, he wouldn't do it. He'd be making big bucks doing something else. For the love of the game is a bullshite cop-out.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:29 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
No. That said, I DO think that the perpetuity deal that means the NCAA has the rights to their image/likeness foreva should be rethought. HOWEVER, I think that there should be exceptions for the University that they attended AND that a general payment plan from the gaming industry for if/when they want to include NCAA all-time greats/all-stars/classic teams or otherwise have anyone not currently playing appear post-eligibility) should be considered as well.
Such a video game based contract could be setup with a reasonable standard rate that all included would receive if they appeared post-college and should a college be in negotiations for licensing (they should still get paid too).
Universities spend tons of money on these players, even things most don't think about like building outrageous facilities (even donor funded ones can't replace the land lost on campus and campus space is a premium), dorms, travel, bowl game etc. and part of their lifeblood is merchandise sales and despite that the vast majority of D-1 schools lose $$$. The SEC schools + a handful of others are among the privileged few who actually earn money rather than lose money on football and other sports. A school has no real idea who is going to be a star but every player gets these benefits while regular students don't and are stuck paying an activity fee whether they want to or not (many of the quite high) that contributes to football and other sports and yet in many cases still have to pay for tickets even if they're discounted.
Such a video game based contract could be setup with a reasonable standard rate that all included would receive if they appeared post-college and should a college be in negotiations for licensing (they should still get paid too).
Universities spend tons of money on these players, even things most don't think about like building outrageous facilities (even donor funded ones can't replace the land lost on campus and campus space is a premium), dorms, travel, bowl game etc. and part of their lifeblood is merchandise sales and despite that the vast majority of D-1 schools lose $$$. The SEC schools + a handful of others are among the privileged few who actually earn money rather than lose money on football and other sports. A school has no real idea who is going to be a star but every player gets these benefits while regular students don't and are stuck paying an activity fee whether they want to or not (many of the quite high) that contributes to football and other sports and yet in many cases still have to pay for tickets even if they're discounted.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:29 pm to centexag06
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The fact is these kids cannot get a job to earn extra money to spend that will allow them to participate in normal college activities
Lolololol so not true at all. Practice is limited to 20 hours a week too so it would be hard to get a part-time job in season. Fact is on top of meal plan the schools cuts you a couple hundred dollar check a week or every other... it has been a decade and a half, but please tell me more about you not being a college athlete and knowing what is covered.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:30 pm to Upperaltiger06
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If someone is willing to pay for their autographs, then yea, I'd say they deserve that money. That has nothing to do with the high school or their relationship to the athlete.
So then how can you draw the same conclusion to an NCAA athlete then?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:32 pm to Upperaltiger06
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It makes perfect sense.
No, it really doesn't.
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If Saban isn't paid to coach, he wouldn't do it. He'd be making big bucks doing something else.
So you expect the coaches to work for free?
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For the love of the game is a bullshite cop-out.
You have obviously never played a competitive sport at a high level in your life.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:35 pm to RummelTiger
A lot of Sporting PhDs in here...
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:35 pm to RummelTiger
Players should not be paid. Manziel would seriously be making as much as Joe Flacco right now if he was paid. He could retire tomorrow
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:35 pm to Upperaltiger06
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Players need to be paid
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:36 pm to RummelTiger
Rummel going HAM in this thread.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:38 pm to RummelTiger
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So you expect the coaches to work for free?
That's exactly the opposite of what I'm saying. The coaches work for money....no the love of the game. Why should the players be expected to play 'for the love of the game' without financial compensation, but not the coaches?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:40 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
A 5 year old actor can't touch their money until they are 18. Wouldn't be a bad idea if the money that CF players earned was escrowed until they were out of school.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:41 pm to FourThreeForty
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FourThreeForty Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players? Players should not be paid. Manziel would seriously be making as much as Joe Flacco right now if he was paid. He could retire tomorrow
Why does any of this mean that a player should not be compensated privately?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:43 pm to centexag06
$2000 per month That is a ton of money to get in trouble with.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 10:45 pm to Upperaltiger06
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That's exactly the opposite of what I'm saying. The coaches work for money....no the love of the game. Why should the players be expected to play 'for the love of the game' without financial compensation, but not the coaches?
You keep missing the fact that they ARE being compensated. They're getting scholarships, food, a place to live, access to elite athletic equipment, healthcare, etc.
Also, if you can't answer this:
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The coaches work for money....no the love of the game. Why should the players be expected to play 'for the love of the game' without financial compensation, but not the coaches?
...on your own, then I care not to spend the time and energy explaining it to you.
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