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re: Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:55 am to flyAU
Posted on 8/5/13 at 12:55 am to flyAU
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So we agree that someone breaking the current rule is an idiot and should face penalties. Right?
No doubt. I've not argued against that. There is no good rationale for the NCAA to have a say in his right to sell his autograph. What if he was an employee being paid a $100 hour to wash cars? Can the NCAA punish him for that? Why? The NCAA doesn't mind the coaches making stupid amounts of money at a public institution that is supposed to be primarily for education. Why shouldn't they have limits? Maybe to make less than the educators?
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Posted on 8/5/13 at 1:46 am to MrSEC
It bothers me that people consider getting a free ride to a university as not being compensated. Seen the news lately? How many kids are thousands (if not hundred of thousands) of dollars in debt trying to get the same degree the football players have access to?
Of course why stop at ESPN, look at all the consultants, hot dog vendors, people who charge to park near games that make money off the poor football players. Give me a break.
Of course why stop at ESPN, look at all the consultants, hot dog vendors, people who charge to park near games that make money off the poor football players. Give me a break.
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 1:48 am
Posted on 8/5/13 at 5:04 am to Upperaltiger06
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What I'm asking is does he deserve the right to sell his autograph? Appear at parties for money? Train high school football players for pay? Where do you draw the line?
For instance, you probably work as a janitor at Walmart. If you became the most badass janitor of any Walmart and people started offering you money for your autograph, should Walmart have any say in you posting items on eBay? That's not to say that is there policy. Check with human resources tomorrow.
This is the aspect that Rummel and others have a problem grasping. Upperaltiger06 isn't saying that the NCAA should pay athletes, but he is saying WHY should the NCAA stop a player from gaining money off of THEMSELVES; as in writing an autograph on a NON-licensed NCAA item, etc.
Of course, if the NCAA allowed that to happen, all hell would break loose and college ball would be even more scandalous due to boosters, university connections, underground recruiting and deals, etc, etc.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 5:24 am to Upperaltiger06
Does it bother you that your tuition pays for them to get to school/live for free? Does it bother you that the university you attend profits from college athletes? Does it bother you that girls flock to athletes for the fame? Does it bother you that many athletes can eat for free, get free items, and other perks that many students will never receive?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 5:29 am to Upperaltiger06
In general no... with the exception of when a highly paid analyst publicly bemoans the amount of money involved in the game. Those guys are getting paid by the system they are complaining about.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 6:34 am to centexag06
If this whole offseason is how JFF acts while he is trying to hide the fact that he made money, how do you think he would act if he made more money and didn't have to pretend?
This guy can't handle fame, I seriously doubt giving him more money for signing a football would help him in any way whatsoever.
He would likely be a bigger train wreck
This guy can't handle fame, I seriously doubt giving him more money for signing a football would help him in any way whatsoever.
He would likely be a bigger train wreck
Posted on 8/5/13 at 6:34 am to Upperaltiger06
Why should it? Nike, UnderArmor, Schutt, and dozens of other people and companies do. 
JFF will make money off his "own hard work" when he goes to the NFL. Without college football,(And all the corporate money from equipment, media, etc) he would be Johnny thesameasanybodyelse. College football gives him and all the other players the opportunity to make money.
JFF will make money off his "own hard work" when he goes to the NFL. Without college football,(And all the corporate money from equipment, media, etc) he would be Johnny thesameasanybodyelse. College football gives him and all the other players the opportunity to make money.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 7:08 am to Upperaltiger06
ESPN makes money from their advertisers paying them to broadcast sporting events. They have nothing to do with paying or not paying college players. That is an NCAA issue.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 7:21 am to DawgsLife
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Does it bother you to see ESPN profit off of college players? Why should it? Nike, UnderArmor, Schutt, and dozens of other people and companies do. JFF will make money off his "own hard work" when he goes to the NFL. Without college football,(And all the corporate money from equipment, media, etc) he would be Johnny thesameasanybodyelse. College football gives him and all the other players the opportunity to make money.
What if he has a career ending injury while making all this money for third parties? What if he has a life changing injury like the kid from Rutgers? I'm not saying he doesn't benefit from the industry, just in most cases the main attraction gets a cut.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 7:24 am to Upperaltiger06
No. I don't have a problem with schools making money either. Making a profit isn't some entitlement you are given. It is a free society and no one is forced you to consume anything ESPN is giving you. If there wasn't supply and their wasn't demand, then it wouldn't exist. You want to make money off your name and likeness? Go to the CFL or semi-pro til you can get to the NFL. You don't want ESPN to profit, watch NBC Sports.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 7:29 am to tduecen
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Does it bother you that your tuition pays for them to get to school/live for free? Does it bother you that the university you attend profits from college athletes? Does it bother you that girls flock to athletes for the fame? Does it bother you that many athletes can eat for free, get free items, and other perks that many students will never receive?
1) the money used to house, feed, and educate the athletes at the university I attended is more than recouped through the program. My money goes in the same account. So no.
2) the university that I did attend has not made a net profit from football in recent history according to the information I have seen.
3) the girls question is completely unrelated to the topic of discussion and asinine, but to answer it....no.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 7:32 am to Choctaw Hog
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SPN makes money from their advertisers paying them to broadcast sporting events. They have nothing to do with paying or not paying college players. That is an NCAA issue.
Without the athletes working hard and risking their health on the field, espn has nothing to broadcast.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 8:52 am to Upperaltiger06
This current system allows thousands of kids to go to college for free. To escape the weight of a hundred thousand in loans. It allows kids who cannot pay for school an opportunity to better themselves.
The majority of players probably couldn't sell their signatures anyway. Y'all are talking about changing the rules to benefit a very small portion of college athletes. VERY small.
The majority of players probably couldn't sell their signatures anyway. Y'all are talking about changing the rules to benefit a very small portion of college athletes. VERY small.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 9:05 am to Upperaltiger06
No no no. I have a couple buddies that are on scholarship at LSU and these dudes definitely do not need to be payed. They have absoutely everything given to them and actually do in a way get payed "blank checks" each month. Housing and food is completely provided granted they live on campus. No way, we would have much more problems
Posted on 8/5/13 at 9:07 am to tigahs38
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payed.
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payed
for Christ sakes people it's "paid"
Posted on 8/5/13 at 9:24 am to NYCAuburn
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for Christ sakes people it's "paid"
spelling was always my toughest subject in elementary school. sorry bro
Posted on 8/5/13 at 10:45 am to Upperaltiger06
quote:umm...
Espn is making all kinds of money running a story off a player making profits (albeit illegally) off the name made through his own hard work. The players take all the risk while the school and ESPN make huge profits.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 10:46 am to Upperaltiger06
quote:You can't be this stupid, can you?
No doubt. I've not argued against that. There is no good rationale for the NCAA to have a say in his right to sell his autograph. What if he was an employee being paid a $100 hour to wash cars? Can the NCAA punish him for that? Why? The NCAA doesn't mind the coaches making stupid amounts of money at a public institution that is supposed to be primarily for education. Why shouldn't they have limits? Maybe to make less than the educators?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 10:53 am to cornstarch
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This is the aspect that Rummel and others have a problem grasping. Upperaltiger06 isn't saying that the NCAA should pay athletes, but he is saying WHY should the NCAA stop a player from gaining money off of THEMSELVES; as in writing an autograph on a NON-licensed NCAA item, etc.
No, I'm grasping everything, but I refuse to argue hypotheticals.
It doesn't matter WHY the NCAA does it, it doesn't matter IF I agree or don't agree with it, and it doesn't matter if it's ethical or non-ethical for the schools, the NCAA, ESPN, or whomever to prosper of the athletes. What matters is that the rules that are in place are the rules that have to be followed.
I could care less if the likes of Manziel want to seel their autographs and prosper off of it but, as of now, the NCAA prohibits that. What Upper is doing is arguing what if's, and ain't nobody got time fo dat.
So, like I said, if he's so upset by the fact, then he can write his congressman, picket outside of Jordan-Hare, or go on a hunger strike to influence a rule change.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 10:57 am to That LSU Guy
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You can't be this stupid, can you?
Apparently. How can you not see the double standard? Coaches sell their names built under the program. They are under contract with the school. Why can't the student do the same? It's not the school or the NCAA's business.
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