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re: Clemson is sure glad OJ Howard is at the combine
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:43 pm to Tillman
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:43 pm to Tillman
Dabo said that Alabama should have called for a penalty because the Alabama defender basically tackled Artavius Scott. SCott was going to set a pick but he couldn't because of the alabama penalty.
reality is nobody thought Clemson would have a play for Renfrow in the end zone with the game on the line. that was why he was so wide open. bama was worried about Legget, Mike Williams and Scott.
i googled 'pick play', and most of the hits are referring to the clemson-bama game. a few for Atlanta Falcons and ND.
reality is nobody thought Clemson would have a play for Renfrow in the end zone with the game on the line. that was why he was so wide open. bama was worried about Legget, Mike Williams and Scott.
i googled 'pick play', and most of the hits are referring to the clemson-bama game. a few for Atlanta Falcons and ND.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 6:46 pm
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:19 am to Tillman
Ha. Clemson is probably the second best team behind Bama overall the past 3 or 4 years but if you think for one minute these two teams are similar in overall talent you are delusional. It took an alcoholic child calling plays for bama to choke away the title game, without Deshaun Watson Clemson loses both championship games by multiple touchdowns. Dabo has done a good job with recruiting certain areas but the fact is Deshaun Watson is arguably the greatest QB to ever play in college and without him the tigers are a great program.. not elite. These Clemson fans man... enjoy your championship now because your program will not be back.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 4:23 am to TheJimBrown7
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Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:11 am to Tillman
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it is the greatest redemption story in sports history.
Dude, not even close.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:12 am to antibarner
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Clemson is sure glad OJ Howard is at the combine
I think you meant
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Alabama is sure glad Deshaun Watson is at the combine
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:13 am to TheJimBrown7
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without Deshaun Watson Clemson loses both championship games by multiple touchdowns.
Please tell me more about championship teams performing worse without their best player?
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:51 am to Tillman
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my point is you don't mention the injuries the year before
We didn't mention the ones this year; that's on you.
Personally, if we're playing the injury card, my pick is Eddie Jackson.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:43 pm to bwhill
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The only thing I will say is that both games were excellent. We can ponder different outcomes for both games as either team could have won both. Renfrow/Watson has torn Alabama up. Likewise, when I saw OJ catch multiple passes in 2016 Championship I kept saying: Oh not again!
Alabama and Clemson have been, without a doubt, the two best teams in the country each of those two years. The proof is assuredly in the semifinals.
Clemson beats Oklahoma by 20
Alabama beats MSU by 38
Epic Final
Clemson beats OSU by 31
Alabama beats Washington by 17
Epic final
Average margin of victory by those two teams in semifinal matches: 26.5
Most points scored by any opponent: 17
Least number of points scored by either: 24
Number of shutouts: 2 (Plus one game of 1 score)
Finals:
Average margin of victory: 4.5 points
Number of potential final kickoffs that could have changed the outcome: 2 (Clemson failing the onside in 2016 playoffs, succeeding in the 2017 playoffs)
Series record: 1-1
Number of future NFL players in those two games:
16 already drafted
7 potential first rounders per current mock drafts (17 overall) per Draftsite.com
Approaching the 2011 National Title game in terms of overall NFL talent. At 33 players in just two years of drafts, it could pass the 42 player mark in 2018. Considering the average of 16.5 players per draft, those two teams could have up to 55-60 players that get drafted that were on the field or the bench during these two championship games.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:27 pm to antibarner
This is going to rustle jimmies, but it shouldnt
Howard had big games against Clemson due to blown assignments/coverage. It wasnt him dominating the competition anb being unguardable.
Do I think he has that potential though? Yes, I don
Howard had big games against Clemson due to blown assignments/coverage. It wasnt him dominating the competition anb being unguardable.
Do I think he has that potential though? Yes, I don
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:35 pm to BowlJackson
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It's funny because they don't even really know the rule. Their DBs engaged the WR first on both plays. That is not a penalty. It's only a pick play if it's like a pick in basketball where the WR essentially blind sides the defender without being engaged and when the defender is actively covering the player that the pick is being set for.
Bowl, agreeing with Tillman is probably your lowest point as a Tier One Poster IMHO.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 1:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Bowl, agreeing with Tillman is probably your lowest point as a Tier One Poster IMHO.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:11 pm to TheJimBrown7
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These Clemson fans man... enjoy your championship now because your program will not be back.
Ha! That's what they told us 35 years ago, and look here - we're back.
It wasn't all DW, as everyone but you seems to realize. Alabama certainly didn't choke that game away. Do you even watch football?
Clemson's D has led the nation 4 straight years in TFL. Venables is on the sidelines. Clemson will have what is arguably the best defensive front next year. 5 star WRs all over the place. It's not one guy.
But, no one has Alabama's depth. I think if they had been pushed more throughout the season, their second stringers would have been more prepared, or the staff might have had more confidence in them. As it was, the SEC didn't put up much of a fight for them last year. They were saddled with a weaker than normal schedule.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 3:35 pm to silverstreak02
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Please tell me more about championship teams performing worse without their best player?
What I should have said is Clemson doesn't sniff 10 wins let alone compete in the championship game without Deshaun Watson. Bama could play without Henry in '15 and compete for a championship. Or OJ Howard. Or Calvin Ridley. The point isn't a hypothetical situation it's that Clemson and Bama's depth are not remotely close.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 4:14 pm to IStillMissDanny
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It wasn't all DW, as everyone but you seems to realize. Alabama certainly didn't choke that game away. Do you even watch football
Watson had 460 of Clemsons 510 yards of offense. Or 90% of yards and 4 of the 5 touchdowns. Do YOU even know how to analyze a game? Or do you merely clap your hands at the bright lights. See you in another 35 years.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 4:48 pm to TheJimBrown7
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Watson had 460 of Clemsons 510 yards of offense. Or 90% of yards and 4 of the 5 touchdowns. Do YOU even know how to analyze a game? Or do you merely clap your hands at the bright lights. See you in another 35 years.
Welcome to the board.Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:22 pm to TheJimBrown7
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Watson had 460 of Clemsons 510 yards of offense. Or 90% of yards and 4 of the 5 touchdowns. Do YOU even know how to analyze a game? Or do you merely clap your hands at the bright lights. See you in another 35 years.
So Watson was catching the ball, playing on the o-line, etc? it is hard to believe u and others on here have ever even watched a football game. Did Watson make the incredible catch that Legget made on that last drive?
how in the world can you say the team is all Watson. that makes it sound like he is a running QB.
CLemson has 4 different WR with 90 plus yards.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:25 pm to TheJimBrown7
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What I should have said is Clemson doesn't sniff 10 wins let alone compete in the championship game without Deshaun Watson. Bama could play without Henry in '15 and compete for a championship. Or OJ Howard. Or Calvin Ridley. The point isn't a hypothetical situation it's that Clemson and Bama's depth are not remotely close.
this year's game would not have been close if Clemson didn't have two turnovers to Bama's 0. Last year, Clemson wins without the 4th quarter special teams miscue. you keep talking about depth but Clemson had one of their best days on offense against Alabama the last two seasons.
the truth is Watson didn't play that great in several games to start the season to include at Auburn. Our defense won that game. Watson's interceptions played a big role in Pitt winning at Clemson and almost cost us the game against Lville and NC State.
you guys can't accept fact you lost so you want to make Watson out as some kind of perfect player.
Pitt doesn't have more depth than Alabama and they beat Clemson at Clemson.
speaking of depth, many Bama fans blame the loss on Scarborough being injured, so isn't that that an admission at a lack of depth at RB? or the O-line isn't very good. lol
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:06 am to Tillman
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Last year, Clemson wins without the 4th quarter special teams miscue.
Are you referring to the onsides kick that was a well scripted, well planned play?
Or the TD return that, if the very next drive is any indicator, simply led to Alabama scoring quicker than they would have otherwise?
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many Bama fans blame the loss on Scarborough being injured
LOL, no we don't. We're not Clemson, blaming the loss of one player at a non-QB position for a loss.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:18 am to skrayper
I don't so much credit Watson with this year's win as I do his receivers. They won every jump ball every low throw was caught and they made some super plays.
Without that they do not win this game.
Without that they do not win this game.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:57 am to antibarner
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I don't so much credit Watson with this year's win as I do his receivers. They won every jump ball every low throw was caught and they made some super plays.
Without that they do not win this game.
Most people can agree with this. This wasn't Cam's Auburn team where he was so much better than anyone on the field and just ran all over everyone. Clemson had guys making plays all over the place - like Tillman said, 4 receivers over 90 yards apiece. Look at Renfrow's 10 catches AND a TD saving tackle after a fumble for example. Would Clemson have won without him? Maybe. Would they have won without Watson? Probably not. But, would Alabama have won last year without Howard. Maybe, but I don't think so.
Some would have us believe Watson made all those catches and every tackle. Probably recovered the onside kick, too.
It was a fantastic game. Two fantastic games, and people are still saying it was a one man show. Clemson isn't going to fall off the face of the earth now that Watson is gone. I wish all championship games were this good.
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