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re: Clemson is sure glad OJ Howard is at the combine
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:47 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:47 pm to DawgsLife
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don't have talking points. I have opinions. and Georgia's success or lack of has nothing to do with this. You need help sticking with the subject. Further, Alabama does not need anybody to "white knight" for them. Their success speaks for itself, and I respect them for that. Clemson has done very little throughout their history. You are having a nice little run right now, but if you want to be mentioned in the same breath as Alabama, you need to go back and win 11-12 more National Championships. That is a fact. Not somebody doing a "white knight" job.
if Alabama's success speaks for itself, then why did you need to mention it? I've pointed out on this very thread they have 4 recent titles, i think it is amazing bama fans seem so mad Clemson won this year.
Clemson has 1 more national title than UGA, and the one in 81 came at UGA's expense. i think UGA may have won the title that year if they had beat Clemson. it is pretty incredible you are talking about Clemson history when your program has 1 national title and no recent SEC titles.
i don't care if Clemson is mentioned in same breathe as Alabama or not. I've never said Clemson is the best program in history of college football so you are beating up on a strawman.
unlike you, i'm not an Alabama brown-noser, and i don't care how many titles teams won back in the day. i care about the current season. alabama's past titles didn't stop Clemson from winning this year. Alabama hasn't been the best team most seasons in the history of college football. they've also had many vacated wins and I think even vacated seasons.
if Saban is not suspending players who fail drug tests, he is basically cheating. Dabo suspended our fastest WR Deon Cain last year before the playoffs due to failing a drug test.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 12:53 pm
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Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:53 pm to antibarner
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I do get a little tired of Clemson people crowing like they dominated the game. You had to go down trailing with 2 minutes to go with zero margin for error and you did it. But a beat down that was not.
Your point is well taken, but you were the one that started a thread with Clemson in the title. As I said in my first post, Clemson isn't scared of Howard, or Alabama....just as Alabama isn't scared of Clemson. however, you putting Clemson in the title shows you are still upset over the game. When you do that Clemson wins the mind game.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:54 pm to DawgsLife
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Your point is well taken, but you were the one that started a thread with Clemson in the title. As I said in my first post, Clemson isn't scared of Howard, or Alabama....just as Alabama isn't scared of Clemson. however, you putting Clemson in the title shows you are still upset over the game. When you do that Clemson wins the mind game.
his point is dumb b/c no Clemson fans have said Clemson dominated the game. it was obviously a close game.
i think we can say that Clemson dominated Bama's defense in the passing game.
Howard is nice player but he wasn't dominant against Clemson this year. i would give credit to the OC for Howard's success, obviously this year and last they see Clemson defense is vulnerable in defending the TE.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:57 pm to MullenBoys
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Yawn
that's how I view MSU football. and that's why you spend hours on here gushing over Alabama.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 1:08 pm to Tillman
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if Alabama's success speaks for itself, then why did you need to mention it?
Because it is obvious by your posts that you either are not aware of Alabama's success or you don't respect it.
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i think it is amazing bama fans seem so mad Clemson won this year.
Absolutely. Because you were not upset last year, right?
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Dabo suspended our fastest WR Deon Cain last year before the playoffs due to failing a drug test.
He might be your fastest, but was tied for 3rd on the team in receptions. And, by the way....when one team is tested before the CFP all the teams are tested. Apparently all of Alabama players passed.
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Clemson has 1 more national title than UGA, and the one in 81 came at UGA's expense.
Dude. This is about Alabama and Clemson. Why do you keep bringing Georgia into this? Stick with the subject, and quit trying to change it. And, no. Both have two titles. You are wrong.
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unlike you, i'm not an Alabama brown-noser,
Neither am I. But I can admit when a program has achieved something nobody else has. At least I am secure enough to admit things like that. Apparently you are not.
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i care about the current season. alabama's past titles didn't stop Clemson from winning this year.
And I gave Clemson their due for their win this year. However, apparently you are not satisfied unless everybody bows to the greatness of Clemson. Well, Clemson does not deserve the respect that Alabama does.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 1:18 pm to DawgsLife
The only thing I will say is that both games were excellent. We can ponder different outcomes for both games as either team could have won both. Renfrow/Watson has torn Alabama up. Likewise, when I saw OJ catch multiple passes in 2016 Championship I kept saying: Oh not again!
Bo was very good but I think it should be noted that Bama scored more points when he left the game, but he is a monster. The difference with him and Henry was that he didn't start out slow but then turn into a bruiser like Henry. Excellent player.
I think that there are a few things we can agree on. These were truly the best two teams for two years in a row. Who would have thought a rematch would come so early in the newly formed CFB Playoff? I would LOVE to see a round three. Two great games with two great teams.
One thing for sure, is that it was pretty sweet seeing Urban get shutout for the first time in his career and his team get dominated... in a playoff game as well! With this, they want to settle a score with us I'm sure :-)
Everyone brings up the Orange Bowl of 2011 when we got rocked. That was an extremely hard time for us, but as true fans we still love our teams. No fairweather fans here. Looking back now, if that insane loss helped drive our team, it was worth it to get a National Title in five years.
Soapbox off.
Bo was very good but I think it should be noted that Bama scored more points when he left the game, but he is a monster. The difference with him and Henry was that he didn't start out slow but then turn into a bruiser like Henry. Excellent player.
I think that there are a few things we can agree on. These were truly the best two teams for two years in a row. Who would have thought a rematch would come so early in the newly formed CFB Playoff? I would LOVE to see a round three. Two great games with two great teams.
One thing for sure, is that it was pretty sweet seeing Urban get shutout for the first time in his career and his team get dominated... in a playoff game as well! With this, they want to settle a score with us I'm sure :-)
Everyone brings up the Orange Bowl of 2011 when we got rocked. That was an extremely hard time for us, but as true fans we still love our teams. No fairweather fans here. Looking back now, if that insane loss helped drive our team, it was worth it to get a National Title in five years.
Soapbox off.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 1:39 pm to bwhill
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I think that there are a few things we can agree on. These were truly the best two teams for two years in a row. Who would have thought a rematch would come so early in the newly formed CFB Playoff? I would LOVE to see a round three. Two great games with two great teams.
There is not question about this for me. Both looked excellent and deserved to be there.
FTR, I am not arguing about Howard, Scarborough or anything else for that matter. I think the best team won each year, and both games could have gone either way.
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One thing for sure, is that it was pretty sweet seeing Urban get shutout for the first time in his career and his team get dominated... in a playoff game as well!
I was pulling hard for Clemson in that game, for sure!
Posted on 3/5/17 at 2:27 pm to DawgsLife
Clemson deserved to be there and they deserved the win this last year. We just were not good enough on offense to repeat this year, had we been able to possess the ball I believe we win the game, but Clemson played a fine game on D to not allow that.
You cannot leave any defense out there for right at 100 plays and expect them to hold.
You cannot leave any defense out there for right at 100 plays and expect them to hold.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 2:36 pm to antibarner
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You cannot leave any defense out there for right at 100 plays and expect them to hold.
I understand what you are saying and tend to agree. however, Alabama is full of 4* and 5* players....to the point of they should have been able to substitute often and see very little dropoff. Looking and going by recruiting rankings alone, no team in the nation should be able to stay on the field with Alabama.
Clemson had a legit game plan and they had the desire. Honestly? (And I know I will be crucified for saying this) I believe Clemson wanted it more.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 2:39 pm to antibarner
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Clemson is sure glad OJ Howard is at the combine
Posted on 3/5/17 at 3:19 pm to DawgsLife
quote:I agree with you. IMO, Alabama had the better team, not counting the QB and Watson more than made up the difference, plus they wanted it more.
I believe Clemson wanted it more.
Great game...too bad somebody had to lose.This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:20 pm to DawgsLife
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Neither am I. But I can admit when a program has achieved something nobody else has. At least I am secure enough to admit things like that. Apparently you are not.
i was never talking about the 'history' of Alabama's program. you made it about the history of Alabama's program which has nothing to do with this topic. i don't care about Alabama's history. i don't think most football fans care about Alabama's history outside of Alabama fans and SEC groupies like you.
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nd I gave Clemson their due for their win this year. However, apparently you are not satisfied unless everybody bows to the greatness of Clemson. Well, Clemson does not deserve the respect that Alabama does.
I never suggested anybody 'bow to Clemson's greatness'. i don't care if you give CLemson 'their due' or not. CLemson won the natty regardless. i don't understand why you are making this about program 'history' and sucking up to Alabama.
i was only discussing the games between Clemson and Alabama.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:24 pm to coachcrisp
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agree with you. IMO, Alabama had the better team, not counting the QB and Watson more than made up the difference, plus they wanted it more. Great game...too bad somebody had to lose.
that doesn't make any sense, Clemson was clearly better at WR, 4 receivers had 90 plus yards. you act like Watson passes and catches the ball plus plays on O-line, etc.
Clemson had two fumbles in the game, Alabama had no turnovers, yet Clemson still won. bama was the better team?
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:25 pm to Tillman
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Clemson went 1-1 against Howard and likely would have won last year if not for that onside kick play.
Alabama went 1-1 against Watson and likely would have won this year if not for those pick plays.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:27 pm to South Alabama Tide
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bama went 1-1 against Watson and likely would have won this year if not for those pick plays.
never even heard the expression 'pick play' until Alabama lost and it became an excuse. i note ALabama had no problem getting away with two targettings in the game. those would have been called on Clemson.
2 of 15 on 3rd down is why Alabama lost.
these two refs say it wasn't offensive interference, what you are calling a pick play. LINK
it appears setting a pick itself is not against the rules. i think basically every play on offense is about setting picks.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:35 pm to Tillman
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never even heard the expression 'pick play' until Alabama lost and it became an excuse
It's funny because they don't even really know the rule. Their DBs engaged the WR first on both plays. That is not a penalty. It's only a pick play if it's like a pick in basketball where the WR essentially blind sides the defender without being engaged and when the defender is actively covering the player that the pick is being set for.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:37 pm to Tillman
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never even heard the expression 'pick play' until Alabama lost and it became an excuse.
You must not watch much Clemson football then. The whole "pick play" thing really came to head in the FSU game, what 2 years ago?
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:39 pm to DBU
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You must not watch much Clemson football then. The whole "pick play" thing really came to head in the FSU game, what 2 years ago?
so Clemson was guilty of offensive interference on picks against FSU?
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:41 pm to Tillman
Nvm, I'm an a-hole. It was Notre Dame v FSU. Carry on.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 3/5/17 at 6:43 pm to DBU
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The whole "pick play" thing really came to head in the FSU game, what 2 years ago?
Correct
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