re: Best CFB coach not named Saban or Meyer

Also that title came against the wrong team. It should've been Miami in the title game instead of Florida State. Even Bobby Bowden admitted that afterwards. Miami would've beaten OU and Stoops never would've won a ring.

1. Les Miles
2. Mark Dantonio
3. Jim Harbaugh
4. Gary Patterson
5. Dabo Sweeny

Fisher
Bob Stoops
Miles
Dantonio
Shaw
Dabo

Harbaugh has no conference, division or national titles.

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He's in year 18 and still competing for national championships. He's doing pretty well.

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Yeah, but is just doing well and contending good enough to be considered a top 5 coach? That is the question.

At some point, you have to wonder if that is good enough for Oklahoma?

Bill Snyder

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my 5 in order:
D'Antonio
Patterson
Harbaugh
Dabo
Bert

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40 fingers, 10 thumbs, and no rings.

Dabo or Patterson.

Harbaugh, Petersen, Stoops, Dantonio, Shaw, Miles in the next tier (not in order).

Bob Stoops has won 9 Big 12 titles and 1 national title. He's played for a national championship three additional times and has a playoff appearance. By comparison, Spurrier has 6 SEC titles and 1 national title and was considered among the five best coaches when he left Florida at the end of the 2001 season. But he never played for another national title after he won it all in '96.

Saban and Meyer are obviously the two best coaches in the game right now. I can't think of three who are better than Stoops, however.

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40 fingers, 10 thumbs, and no rings.

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This. The reason Saban and Meyer are 1 and 2 is the natties. Period. To be called the best you kinda have to win the trophy that says you are the best. If those guys had no natties, no one would be saying they were 1 and 2.

For that reason, no natty, no reason to say a coach is number 3 either. So to answer the OP, Miles, Stoops, Jimbo are pretty much the few to debate over.

Howard Schnellenberger(sp?)