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re: AHM21 was out here breaking NCAA Violations and we didn't even know it
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
AHM21 with some dank investigative skills. 
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:10 pm to lsufball19
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Yeah, I mean all the football stuff was self-reported, and the NOA reflects that, as well as the football program self-imposing penalties. If Wade had self-reported the issues with the basketball program, the NOA would have stated that he did. Instead, the NOA specifically states he didn't self-report the infractions.
100%. For all the crap (most earned) Orgeron caught over Title IX and personal issues, there's not much to criticize over the way the NCAA issues were handled. But for the entire athletic department being drug down by Wade's issues, football would be just fine.
The part I really have a hard time understanding is why LSU stuck with Wade for so long. If they knew 25% of what's in the NOA they could and should have booted him immediately. The only thing that makes any sense at all is that he was lying to LSU in spectacular fashion and they bought it.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:15 pm to JustGetItRight
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The only thing that makes any sense at all is that he was lying to LSU in spectacular fashion and they bought it.
That's exactly what he was doing. Remember he was suspended until April of 2019 for refusing to even talk to LSU after the "strong arse offer" stuff came to light. Then, he refused to turn over his cell phone and bank records for over a year after they were requested and still failed to provide over half of those. So really, there's no way LSU could have known what all Wade had done because he has clearly been a pathological liar throughout his employment and did everything in his power to be uncooperative with both LSU's internal investigation and the NCAA's investigation. He was likely trying to save his job and ignorantly hoped it would all just go away if he was defiant enough, but obviously that didn't work out for him.
LSU stuck with Wade until they had definitive grounds to fire him for cause, and once they had that, he was fired within a couple of days. I am all but certain their reasoning was to mitigate a prospective lawsuit by Wade and not wanting all their baggage exposed in public record. No college athletic department wants to be open to discovery in a situation like that. With Wade's amended contract, he has no legal recourse that would even survive summary judgment, even if every single allegation was bullshite. His amended contract says they can fire him for cause for receiving an NOA for any level 1 or 2 violations. In that contract, he waives any right to file a claim against LSU for wrongful termination if he's fired after they receive a formal NOA alleging level 1 or level 2 infractions.
See amended contract
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This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:31 pm to lsufball19
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He was likely trying to save his job and ignorantly hoped it would all just go away if he was defiant enough, but obviously that didn't work out for him.
Great post but I'm not sure I 100% agree with this last part. Anyone with sense had to know he'd be gone once everything got out. There's a chance he'll never coach D1 basketball again.
IMO, he probably knew the chances of saving his job were pretty slim but every day he could drag it out put more of that 2.5 million a year he was getting paid in the bank. By hanging on for 3 years, he can afford to live pretty nicely coaching a high school somewhere for the next 30 years.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:36 pm to JustGetItRight
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IMO, he probably knew the chances of saving his job were pretty slim but every day he could drag it out put more of that 2.5 million a year he was getting paid in the bank. By hanging on for 3 years, he can afford to live pretty nicely coaching a high school somewhere for the next 30 years.
That very well may have some truth to it as well, but Wade is also a classic narcissist IMO. No one coaches for as long as he has at the D1 level (17 years) and then brazenly cheats like he does if they don't have certain personality traits that make him believe he's above authority. It's just incomprehensible to me for a head coach of a D1 program to be his own bag man and to leave a ridiculous paper trail documenting all his misdeeds. That's why I tend to believe he thought he'd somehow survive all of this. A normal, rational person (even one that's shady and cheats) just doesn't behave like he has.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:57 pm to lsufball19
There’s no way Forde isn’t paying you to say this shite as if it’s proven fact. Without tangible evidence, I’m calling bullshite on all this.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
He's an Assy-set.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:59 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Without tangible evidence,
there's plenty of tangible evidence. I honestly don't see how you could still say that and actually believe it. I pretty clearly outlined what tangible evidence there is right now and where there are still shades of grey. You can continue to bury your head in the sand if you refuse to believe any of what's staring you in the face, your choice
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There’s no way Forde isn’t paying you to say this shite
Look buddy, my allegiance lies with LSU, not with Will Wade. Will Wade fricked LSU, so I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and am not going to sell myself on fantasies that this is all bullshite because there's already documented proof that proves most of it is simply not bullshite.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:02 pm to lsufball19
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there's plenty of tangible evidence.
Oh really?? Because all I see is what the most corrupt organization in the entire world alleges against us without any records, receipts, text images, so much he said he said, transcripts from Wade’s interview with them, etc. and you’re out here acting like it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt lol.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:06 pm to wadewilson
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They also included OBJ handing out cash, and that absolutely was ticky tack.
Was it ticky tack? Absolutely.
If Alabama had done it, would LSU fans be crying for the death penalty? Absolutely.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:06 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Oh really??
Yes really.
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alleges against us without any records, receipts, text images, so much he said he said, transcripts from Wade’s interview with them, etc. and you’re out here acting like it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt lol.
Oh so you think the text messages and bank records would be attached to the NOA? Really? Or is it your take the NCAA would completely fabricate the fact they have text messages (quoting them, in fact) and bank records when they actually don't? I mean that's quite the reach, but you do you.
I mean damn man, you act like Wade's hearing is going to be before me and I will determine his fate. No, I'm simply a rational human being coming to logical conclusions based on what's in front of me. You seem to be on the side of hoping all of this is a conspiracy to screw over LSU. To each his own I guess.
I fully supported Wade, and my post history will show it, when all that was out there was the phone call with Dawkins. As new information has come to light, it is very clear at this point that Wade did much, much more and there's a clearly defined paper trail. Believe what you want.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:31 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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There’s no way Forde isn’t paying you to say this shite as if it’s proven fact. Without tangible evidence, I’m calling bull shite on all this.
You're arguing with an undeniably full blooded LSU fan who's been on tRant since before tRant split from Tigerdroppings -and unless he's recently changed jobs or my memory has completely gone he's also a practicing attorney.
He's probably forgotten more about what qualifies as actual evidence than most of us will ever know, but please go on arguing. It's pretty amusing.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:41 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Now I totally understand your skepticism, 100% in fact. Because when I read the allegations they are so freaking out there that I couldn't fathom a head coach AND his assistant would be so idiotic.
Oh really?? Because all I see is what the most corrupt organization in the entire world alleges against us without any records, receipts, text images, so much he said he said, transcripts from Wade’s interview with them, etc. and you’re out here acting like it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt lol.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:45 pm to JustGetItRight
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You're arguing with an undeniably full blooded LSU fan who's been on tRant since before tRant split from Tigerdroppings -and unless he's recently changed jobs or my memory has completely gone he's also a practicing attorney.
He's probably forgotten more about what qualifies as actual evidence than most of us will ever know, but please go on arguing. It's pretty amusing.
Most of us know lsufball19 knows his shite, LSU fans can argue till they are purple in the face the guy is correct about this case. Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:49 pm to JustGetItRight
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You're arguing with an undeniably full blooded LSU fan who's been on tRant since before tRant split from Tigerdroppings -and unless he's recently changed jobs or my memory has completely gone he's also a practicing attorney.
He's probably forgotten more about what qualifies as actual evidence than most of us will ever know, but please go on arguing. It's pretty amusing.
I was going to insert some anecdotal stories about client's I've had who behaved like Wade... lying to me, lying to the Court, trying to hide evidence, etc and how that worked out for them when the truth came out in the form of indefensible proof, but this guy seems hopeless TBH. I've been on the other side of it too, which is obviously a better position to be in as a lawyer haha. Have one of those cases right now against a very very capable attorney with a shitbag client who seems to want me and the judge to ruin him, but I'll spare you the boring details
The best thing Woodward and LSU can do to mitigate the fallout is to separate themselves from Wade as much as possible. Swiftly firing him after the NOA was received is the best thing Woodward could have done with what the NCAA actually has proof of. If it was he said/she said evidence without a paper trail, then sure, you could think about trying to fight it. But that just isn't the case for 75% of the allegations against Wade. It just isn't regardless of how much some LSU fans want Wade to be the coach at LSU or how much they want all of this to be some sort of fabricated story to get back at Wade. Fortunately, it appears most LSU fans I've seen are placing blame at Wade's feet and agree with his firing despite what some of the very vocal minority are preaching. I guess it's to be expected you'll have people in these situations that just don't want to face reality as it happens every time a program is facing sanctions.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
2 things can be true at same time
1. Wade was dumb for doing it
2. Hunter Johnson and/or whatever gump turned this in is a scared bitch
Just saying
1. Wade was dumb for doing it
2. Hunter Johnson and/or whatever gump turned this in is a scared bitch
Just saying
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:22 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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the most corrupt organization in the entire world
Russia says hold my beer.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:31 pm to tigerskin
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2. Hunter Johnson and/or whatever gump turned this in is a scared bitch
So if Oats was having dinner with a big time recruit in a Baton Rouge diner and some LSU fan turned it in, it is because that person is a scared little bitch?
Some people just like seeing a coach from an opposing team get their balls nailed to the wall and it doesn't involve anyone being scared.
Not everyone is scared of this fantasy world where LSU is dominating the world of college sports.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:36 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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So if Oats was having dinner with a big time recruit in a Baton Rouge diner and some LSU fan turned it in, it is because that person is a scared little bitch?
Yes, they are all paying them anyway so that is such silly little shite
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:37 pm to JustGetItRight
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For all the crap (most earned) Orgeron caught over Title IX and personal issues, there's not much to criticize over the way the NCAA issues were handled
Orgeron and the entire athletic program swept sexual assault under the rug for years. Even though that may not be within the realm of authority that of the ncaa, I would bet the they will consider it within the scope of the sanctions.
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