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re: AHM21 was out here breaking NCAA Violations and we didn't even know it
Posted on 3/16/22 at 6:48 am to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 3/16/22 at 6:48 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Bc LSU insiders and Culotta say LSU self-reported to the NCAA once the Bham office notified them and they took responsive action. Given how dishonest the NCAA’s allegations are and the lack of evidence there is outside of he said he said, I’m inclined to believe LSU and expect them to defend accordingly.
The problem with this theory is that schools release their self reported violations all the time. If LSU self reported and imposed punishments there will be publicly available documentation. The fact that none has been produced suggests the “insider information” is likely wishful thinking.
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 7:08 am to JustGetItRight
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The problem with this theory is that schools release their self reported violations all the time. If LSU self reported and imposed punishments there will be publicly available documentation. The fact that none has been produced suggests the “insider information” is likely wishful thinking.
How the hell do you know? I’ve been trying to find where the self-reported violations for schools are for any school and they’re pretty damn hard to find so unless you have examples or some database where a school archives its self-reported violations then you don’t have shite. Also, this was investigated 3 YEARS AGO and they suspended Wade/Armstrong off the recruiting trail for a month, I’m confident LSU has the documentation of all this to exonerate itself.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:48 am to JustGetItRight
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The problem with this theory is that schools release their self reported violations all the time. If LSU self reported and imposed punishments there will be publicly available documentation. The fact that none has been produced suggests the “insider information” is likely wishful thinking.
No wishful thinking is thinking that this allegation is being considered a lvl 1 and major allegation by the ncaa simply bc lsu and Wade didn’t report it or something… that’s completely false. 1). They did and Wade got in trouble already and 2). In the fricking NOA itself from the NCAA it list why they considered it a major violation and none of their reasons were bc of lsu or Wade not reporting or bc they didn’t report it soon enough. Showing it didn’t matter what lsu had done, the ncaa was rehashing and old allegation and this time they chose to make it a lvl 1 instead…. Try again.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 8:52 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:56 am to SaDub225
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If you think he did none of the above then what was the reason for his suspension and being taken off the recruiting trail?
His suspension was due to getting caught on a wiretap making strong arse offers, not having lunch with Watford. You’re just making shite up now
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I am saying that the rule in general, no matter who it would’ve happened to, is completely ludicrous and ridiculous.
No, it’s really not. You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill
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But I could care less who did it.
Sure Jan
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especially without needing legitimate evidence,
Why do you keep saying this? They have very legitimate evidence in this case bud
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:39 am to SaDub225
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In the fricking NOA itself from the NCAA it list why they considered it a major violation and none of their reasons were bc of lsu or Wade not reporting or bc they didn’t report it soon enough. Showing it didn’t matter what lsu had done, the ncaa was rehashing and old allegation and this time they chose to make it a lvl 1 instead…. Try again.
BOOM so Bama people can STFU
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:45 am to ThePTExperience1969
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BOOM so Bama people can STFU
Can neither of you read? Read the last two lines from the excerpt of the NOA
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:49 am to lsufball19
Apparently you forgot to read the committee’s rationale for why they believe this is a Level II violation because they don’t mention any failure to self-report as to their grounds. Wade’s and probably the AD’s explanation says the NCAA has it the other way around. We will see, I’m inclined to believe LSU over the NCAA on a lot.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:53 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Apparently you forgot to read the committee’s rationale for why they believe this is a Level II violation because they don’t mention any failure to self-report as to their grounds.
You realize impermissible contact is a level II violation right? Mitigating factors aren't necessary to make it a level II. Here's a chart that may help you out
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/infractions/d1/glnc_grphcs/D1INF_InfractionsViolationLevels.pdf
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Wade’s and probably the AD’s explanation says the NCAA has it the other way around.
Neither Wade, nor LSU, have given an explanation for each allegation. Why do you keep inserting made up facts just to support the argument you want to make?
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I’m inclined to believe LSU
Why don't you link LSU's stance on the Watford allegation. TIA
And while you're at it, why don't you provide me a link showing where Wade and Armstrong were suspended for a month after the Watford incident. Thanks
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:02 am to lsufball19
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You realize impermissible contact is a level II violation right? Here's a chart that may help you out
You on Pat Forde’s payroll? Lol
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Neither Wade, nor LSU, have given an explanation for each allegation. Why do you keep inserting made up facts just to support the argument you want to make?
Apparently you haven’t listened to Culotta’s show or read the takes from insiders about that time on TD
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Why don't you link LSU's stance on the Watford allegation. TIA
Again this is from Culotta’s show and TD insiders, the NCAA has the burden of proof here, all they have is the alleged picture from the jealous Bama bagman they don’t have anything further. We will see when LSU and Wade present their response to this. Look, I understand you claim to represent the LSU banner when you come off like you’re on Pat Forde and Dan Wolken’s payroll supporting NCAA propaganda against us but you need to understand that whatever proof the NCAA has wouldn’t even pass a preponderance of the evidence test until they produce it all physically. We will see and I’m confident LSU will vindicate itself.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 10:04 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:03 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Interesting that LSU has already submitted their defense of the NOA and it's public knowledge.
Wade’s and probably the AD’s explanation says the NCAA has it the other way around. We will see, I’m inclined to believe LSU over the NCAA on a lot.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:04 am to RT1941
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Interesting that LSU has already submitted their defense of the NOA and it's public knowledge.
Link?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:05 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:I see you're parroting Culotta's show and TD "insiders", carry on.
Link?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:05 am to ThePTExperience1969
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You on Pat Forde’s payroll? Lol
No. I don't need to be on Forde's payroll to call a spade a spade
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Apparently you haven’t listened to Culotta’s show or read the takes from insiders about that time on TD
Ok, I'm done with you if that's your "source". JFC
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:06 am to lsufball19
quote:Indeed!
JFC
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:13 am to RT1941
Oh well, we’ll see when it becomes public. As far as Culotta is concerned, he’s an insider when it comes to Wade as they’re good friends and the other insiders appear to confirm this almost like when it comes to journalism and all. As an innocent until proven guilty guy, I’m inclined to believe them at first until evidence emerges that overcome that presumption (even though the burden of proof is lower here obviously).
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:45 am to ThePTExperience1969
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As an innocent until proven guilty guy, I’m inclined to believe them at first until evidence emerges that overcome that presumption (even though the burden of proof is lower here obviously).
This mindset is what got you here, FWIW.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:00 am to ThePTExperience1969
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How the hell do you know?
Normally the schools themselves release the lists of what they self report every year. A simple google search can find you tons of examples. Here's Alabama's most recent.
In this particular case, I know because ON PAGE 6 (emphasis so you can find it easily) of the NCAA's Notice of Allegations to LSU, it very specifically states that:
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Neither Wade nor Armstrong self-reported the matter; rather, LSU’s Compliance office learned of the
impermissible contact through the NCAA.
Given that statement, you're left with believing that the NCAA either blatantly lied in their report which is possible but highly unlikely in this case because of the paper and electronic trail that will exist or LSU actually DID NOT self report the issue because they didn't know it happened until the NCAA told them.
I have no idea if Wade and Armstrong were suspended or not. That should be relevant when it comes to mitigating NCAA punishment, but the "we self reported it" just isn't true.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:12 am to Tuscaloosa
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This mindset is what got you here, FWIW.
I really don't get his stance with the evidence that we already know about. Right now, we have text messages and payments from Wade's personal bank account to the fiance of a player he was recruiting. I can't remember where I read it, but I believe the player was one of his players at VCU, so maybe that helps LSU but doesn't help Wade at all. For people to say he was trying to exculpate himself of wrongdoing because he was being extorted is just silly. Sure he was being extorted, but he still made the payments and did so like an idiot, and also did so as hush money for other NCAA violations she allegedly knew about. If knew he hadn't done anything, why pay her? If he felt he was being taken advantage of, he should have reported the issue to the NCAA and to law enforcement, but he did neither. Instead, he tried to hide the ball from the NCAA, refusing to turn over his cell phone and bank records for 13 months (still shorting them of over half of his records), which only resulted in another infraction for his failure to cooperate with the investigation.
The impermissible contact with Watford and his family, both by him and his assistant coach, has picture evidence. It was posted on this board and on instagram the day it happened. Wade didn't report this either, which bolsters the failure to report and to monitor charges.
In 2018, he paid a third-party, friend of a recruit, to get him to sign. He made these payments from his own bank account he shared with his wife.
The only allegations that we don't already know about what all proof the NCAA has are, first, the "strong arse offer" incident we've known about for years now. Then there's the allegations of Armstrong offering a recruit $300k in $50k installments and his offer to secure visas, jobs, lodging, etc for an unnamed recruit. There was no reference to the types of communication had (text, e-mail, phone call, etc) in the NOA, so that's really the only grey areas in the NOA as far as basketball is concerned.
However, the paper trial clearly outlined in the NOA still involve multiple level 1 infractions and a level 2 with respect to the Watford communication, and are largely indefensible.
Wade's failure to cooperate and failure to report are also just facts and also indefensible.
Armstrong and Wade will both likely get lengthy show causes, and deservedly so. And for anyone to say that Woodward prematurely fired Wade or is cowering to the NCAA when he should fight it to the end is burying their head in the sand. If all of this was simply the phone call with Dawkins, then sure, but as we have come to find out in the last week, it's much much worse than that, and Wade is dead to rights. Woodward has a responsibility to do everything he can in the best interest of the LSU programs, not defend Will Wade. Will Wades' attorney can do that.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 11:18 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:15 am to JustGetItRight
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Normally the schools themselves release the lists of what they self report every year. A simple google search can find you tons of examples. Here's Alabama's most recent.
Yeah, I mean all the football stuff was self-reported, and the NOA reflects that, as well as the football program self-imposing penalties. If Wade had self-reported the issues with the basketball program, the NOA would have stated that he did. Instead, the NOA specifically states he didn't self-report the infractions.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:39 am to Tuscaloosa
I'm sure that mindset is applied evenly is all circumstances; regardless of the school being investigated.
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