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re: AHM21 was out here breaking NCAA Violations and we didn't even know it
Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:21 pm to SaDub225
Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:21 pm to SaDub225
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It was the same day of Watford championship game.
Which is why he wasn’t allowed to have contact with Wade and staff on that particular day
Like I said, if that was all Wade did, it wouldn’t be a big deal. Further, why Wade didn’t self report this was reckless and dumb, which is pretty on brand for him
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 5:40 pm to RT1941
I have no clue why Wade did what he did; I’m just speaking in the general sense of the rule. The rule itself is ludicrous. I’m not defending Wade at all, I would say all this same stuff no matter who it happened to. Its just that this case/example specifically, in regards to that particular violation not all the other ones, sets a dangerous precedent that every college sports fan should be worried about….
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 3/15/22 at 6:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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AHM21 Member since Feb 2008 21950 posts Will Wade was in Birmingham committing NCAA violations Posted on 2/28/19 at 7:52 pm LSU HC Will Wade and assistant coach Bill Armstrong eating lunch with Trendon Watford’s parents today in Birmingham (Watford had a game today). This would appear to be an NCAA violation. See the additional restriction for basketball
… Excellent …
Posted on 3/15/22 at 6:36 pm to lsufball19
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Which is why he wasn’t allowed to have contact with Wade and staff on that particular day
It wasn’t Watford that had the contact tho. Christian and his mom were the one talking to Wade and Armstrong which is completely understandable.
And as for him not reporting it; idk, maybe he thought it wasn’t a big deal or maybe didn’t even know it was wrong I have no clue.
Either way though it’s a ridiculous rule. And the ncaa being able to punish people for something so trivial, has to make you wonder, where exactly does the line get drawn? Bc at some point, you can technically connect anyone to anyone. No matter what school you root for, you should never think that an autonomous unregulated governing body that can punish whoever they want without any burden of proof, is ok.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 6:46 pm to SaDub225
Posted on 3/15/22 at 7:06 pm to SaDub225
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It wasn’t Watford that had the contact tho.
1. It doesn’t matter. Can’t have contact with family of a player the day of a game either 2. The NOA says he did have contact with Watford in addition to his family
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maybe he thought it wasn’t a big deal or maybe didn’t even know it was wrong I have no clue.
Him not knowing the rules us just as concerning
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Either way though it’s a ridiculous rule. And the ncaa being able to punish people for something so trivial, has to make you wonder, where exactly does the line get drawn?
If reported correctly it’s a level 3 violation and not a big deal. Most coaches self report and the NCAA doesn’t care. Wade didn’t because he’s an idiot
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Bc at some point, you can technically connect anyone to anyone.
Coaches can’t talk to players or their family on game day. That’s not complicated, broad, or vague
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without any burden of proof,
There is a burden of proof. And in this situation a fricking picture
it was posted on this board the day it happened FFSThis post was edited on 3/15/22 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:03 pm to lsufball19
How can you meticulously copy and paste my comment damn near sentence by sentence, and still miss the entire point of what I said?
Wade and his stupidity have nothing to do with the point I’m trying to make. I would make this same argument even if it was another university’s coach.
Let me try your way…
Wade not reporting it is not one of the reasons for it being a lvl 2 actually, violation….
The CCU believes a hearing panel of the IARP could conclude that Allegation No. 8 is a breach of conduct (Level II) because the violation (a) was prearranged, (b) Wade and Armstrong initiated the impermissible contact, (c) Wade and Armstrong did not disengage within a reasonable time period, (d) the impermissible contact lasted more than a minimal amount of time, and (d) multiple coaches contacted multiple family members of a potential student athlete. [NCAA Bylaw 19.1.2 (2020-21)]
Those reasons are ridiculous and the ncaa has absolutely no proof that any of those reasons listed are true. They deduced all of those things from an instagram picture? God damn they must have the best investigators in the world. Just check out reason (D) … “multiple coaches” aka the head coach and then assistant coach, who shouldn’t be mentioned because the rule has exceptions for “pre existing” relationships, and Armstrong has known the Watford family for a longgg time.
I’ll say the same thing again, an autonomous governing body, with no system of checks and balances, is not ok…
Wade and his stupidity have nothing to do with the point I’m trying to make. I would make this same argument even if it was another university’s coach.
Let me try your way…
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If reported correctly it’s a level 3 violation and not a big deal. Most coaches self report and the NCAA doesn’t care. Wade didn’t because he’s an idiot
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quote: without any burden of proof, There is a burden of proof. And in this situation a fricking picture it was posted on th
Wade not reporting it is not one of the reasons for it being a lvl 2 actually, violation….
The CCU believes a hearing panel of the IARP could conclude that Allegation No. 8 is a breach of conduct (Level II) because the violation (a) was prearranged, (b) Wade and Armstrong initiated the impermissible contact, (c) Wade and Armstrong did not disengage within a reasonable time period, (d) the impermissible contact lasted more than a minimal amount of time, and (d) multiple coaches contacted multiple family members of a potential student athlete. [NCAA Bylaw 19.1.2 (2020-21)]
Those reasons are ridiculous and the ncaa has absolutely no proof that any of those reasons listed are true. They deduced all of those things from an instagram picture? God damn they must have the best investigators in the world. Just check out reason (D) … “multiple coaches” aka the head coach and then assistant coach, who shouldn’t be mentioned because the rule has exceptions for “pre existing” relationships, and Armstrong has known the Watford family for a longgg time.
I’ll say the same thing again, an autonomous governing body, with no system of checks and balances, is not ok…
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:23 pm to SaDub225
And your argument doesn’t hold water. The contact was wrong and should have been reported. Wade was too stupid to even report it. In fact, it was a meeting he arranged. It was intentional.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:25 pm to RT1941
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There was nothing to the conversation I’m sure, just old friends catching up. So why not self report it to LSU compliance and leave it at that.
They did the moment one of your jealous kind decided to take a pic and send it to the Bham office which then notified LSU which then notified the NCAA and took Wade/Armstrong off recruiting for a month, sit the frick down
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:30 pm to SaDub225
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How can you meticulously copy and paste my comment damn near sentence by sentence, and still miss the entire point of what I said?
Wade and his stupidity have nothing to do with the point I’m trying to make. I would make this same argument even if it was another university’s coach.
Let me try your way…
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If reported correctly it’s a level 3 violation and not a big deal. Most coaches self report and the NCAA doesn’t care. Wade didn’t because he’s an idiot
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quote: without any burden of proof, There is a burden of proof. And in this situation a fricking picture it was posted on th
Wade not reporting it is not one of the reasons for it being a lvl 2 actually, violation….
The CCU believes a hearing panel of the IARP could conclude that Allegation No. 8 is a breach of conduct (Level II) because the violation (a) was prearranged, (b) Wade and Armstrong initiated the impermissible contact, (c) Wade and Armstrong did not disengage within a reasonable time period, (d) the impermissible contact lasted more than a minimal amount of time, and (d) multiple coaches contacted multiple family members of a potential student athlete. [NCAA Bylaw 19.1.2 (2020-21)]
Those reasons are ridiculous and the ncaa has absolutely no proof that any of those reasons listed are true. They deduced all of those things from an instagram picture? God damn they must have the best investigators in the world. Just check out reason (D) … “multiple coaches” aka the head coach and then assistant coach, who shouldn’t be mentioned because the rule has exceptions for “pre existing” relationships, and Armstrong has known the Watford family for a longgg time.
I’ll say the same thing again, an autonomous governing body, with no system of checks and balances, is not ok…
Here's what really happened for the kids in the room, since obviously the jealous Bammer fan decided to send the pic to the Bham office
1) the office notified LSU
2) LSU self-reported itself to the NCAA
3) LSU self-penalized itself for it by taking Wade/Armstrong off the recruiting trail for a month
4) the NCAA said thank you
5) 3 years later, the NCAA makes it a level 1 violation despite almost everybody's understanding that it was addressed
The NCAA and Alabama delusional fans are a joke, if I'm LSU I fight this with every ounce and drop dirt on other schools too, this is the pinnacle of horseshite, they can die of AIDS dicks
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:44 pm to Referee
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And your argument doesn’t hold water. The contact was wrong and should have been reported. Wade was too stupid to even report it. In fact, it was a meeting he arranged. It was intentional.
Your telling me my argument is wrong and don’t even understand what I’m arguing lmao.
I never said Wade wasn’t wrong or it wasn’t a violation. I’m arguing that the rule and violation itself is fricking ridiculous and asinine.
And since you are obviously just as smart as those ncaa investigators were, please provide me the reasons why you say it was arranged and/or intentional. After a big game a kid, his family, and teammates go to a restaurant to celebrate, go to a completely separate room and section of the restaurant, eat and celebrate; and then the kids mom and his bro see a life long family friend and former coach sitting and eating at the same restaurant and because the mom and bro didn’t limit the conversation to just “hello”, it is intentional and planned and a level 2 infraction? Get your head out your arse if you think this rule isn’t fricking absurd.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:08 pm to SaDub225
Facts, this allegation is such horseshite and WAS DEALT WITH IN 2019, this some double jeopardy shite!
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:29 am to SaDub225
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kids mom and his bro see a life long family friend and former coach sitting and eating at the same restaurant and because the mom and bro didn’t limit the conversation to just “hello”, it is intentional and planned and a level 2 infraction?
ok, then why was Will Wade there? Old family friend too?
Bottom line. Will Wade knows the rules. He's expected to follow them, ensure his staff and players follow them, and report violations if rules are broken, intentionally or not. He did none of the above, and that's why LSU was cited.
The funniest part about this incident is it is the least significant allegation made against the LSU basketball program or Wade, yet this is, for whatever reason, a violation some of you are freaking out over. Remove this incident from the equation entirely, Wade and LSU are still fricked.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 12:40 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:30 am to Golfer1
[quote]think it was obvious why any major recruit including Watford went to LSU and it wasn’t because of Wades coaching ability[/q
Serious question, you don’t really think Arkansas doesn’t pay the top recruits they pull or have pulled before nil , do you?
Just in the sec they’ve already had proof of auburn and Alabama doing it in basketball. I think Kentucky got caught too.
Duke did for Zion for sure
Kansas has close to the same amount of level 1 violations as lsu
Also Oklahoma state, Washington, nc state
It’s basically in writing that moussa cisse was offered money by wade and he ended up going to Memphis . Surely you don’t think he weant to Memphis and didn’t get anything. He would be at lsu if Memphis didn’t pay him.
No 5 star recruits sign with a school for free. That came out in court. Has Arkansas ever gotten a 5 star? If so then he was paid.
Do you really think that Alabama, lsu, and auburn are the only schools that have paid basketball recruits? I’m not sure what bama did but I know they were on the list of schools
Serious question, you don’t really think Arkansas doesn’t pay the top recruits they pull or have pulled before nil , do you?
Just in the sec they’ve already had proof of auburn and Alabama doing it in basketball. I think Kentucky got caught too.
Duke did for Zion for sure
Kansas has close to the same amount of level 1 violations as lsu
Also Oklahoma state, Washington, nc state
It’s basically in writing that moussa cisse was offered money by wade and he ended up going to Memphis . Surely you don’t think he weant to Memphis and didn’t get anything. He would be at lsu if Memphis didn’t pay him.
No 5 star recruits sign with a school for free. That came out in court. Has Arkansas ever gotten a 5 star? If so then he was paid.
Do you really think that Alabama, lsu, and auburn are the only schools that have paid basketball recruits? I’m not sure what bama did but I know they were on the list of schools
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:49 am to SaDub225
couple lsu fans in critical danger of overdosing on copium in here right now. beautiful.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 1:51 am to aspiclark
I can’t believe that the NCAA is doing this with no evidence.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:31 am to lsufball19
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Bottom line. Will Wade knows the rules. He's expected to follow them, ensure his staff and players follow them, and report violations if rules are broken, intentionally or not. He did none of the above, and that's why LSU was cited. The funniest part about this incident is it is the least significant allegation made against the LSU basketball program or Wade, yet this is, for whatever reason, a violation some of you are freaking out over. Remove this incident from the equation entirely, Wade and LSU are still fricked.
Again your missing the entire point of what I’m saying. I am not arguing anything about Wade. I am saying that the rule in general, no matter who it would’ve happened to, is completely ludicrous and ridiculous. Nobody is freaking out. It’s like you think I’m trying to justify the violation bc it was done by Wade. But I could care less who did it. The entire rule and the ncaas ability to punish such an arbitrary rule, especially without needing legitimate evidence, is completely insane.
Hints why I initially used to Saban and Manning example. Bc I hoped to show that this violation has the potential to happen to anyone and I’m sure it does, but the ncaa is out here cherry picking and choosing when it is a serious violation and when it isn’t.
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and report violations if rules are broken, intentionally or not. He did none of the above, and that's why LSU was cited.
If you think he did none of the above then what was the reason for his suspension and being taken off the recruiting trail?
Like i said the ncaa is doubling down except this time they’ve decided to make it a major violation. If you think that is cool and fair and how a governing body should work, then your delusional. A governing body needs to be fair and unbiased and consistent in its enforcement of rules/policies. Something can’t be a minor rule violation one time and then the next time be a major violation. If they can do that with this particular allegation and violation, then where does the line get drawn? And what’s to stop them from doing to it again to somebody else.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 2:44 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:35 am to aspiclark
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couple lsu fans in critical danger of overdosing on copium in here right now. beautiful.
Lmao if only you understood what this particular allegation (allegation 8) represents and the precendent it sets going forward… hopefully all those lvl 3 and minor violations that your school and/or coach reports, hopefully the ncaa doesn’t one day decide to suddenly make them a serious lvl 1 violation, bc that’s what is happening to Wade and LSU specifically with this particular allegation
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 2:45 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 5:25 am to Tigerpride18
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Just in the sec they’ve already had proof of auburn
Oh really, link? Show me where Pearl has paid recruits. An assistant coach paid two players to go to a certain financial advisor and suit maker when they went pro. He actually wanted them to go pro earlier so he could pad his own pockets. That is not the same as paying a player to come play for Auburn.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 6:30 am to lsufball19
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ok, then why was Will Wade there? Old family friend too?
Bottom line. Will Wade knows the rules. He's expected to follow them, ensure his staff and players follow them, and report violations if rules are broken, intentionally or not. He did none of the above, and that's why LSU was cited.
The funniest part about this incident is it is the least significant allegation made against the LSU basketball program or Wade, yet this is, for whatever reason, a violation some of you are freaking out over. Remove this incident from the equation entirely, Wade and LSU are still fricked.
I think you’re way off base with this, what was Armstrong supposed to do with lifelong family friends? Be a dick and not acknowledge them? It was an honest mistake that anybody could’ve made. Hell, I wouldn’t even think it was a violation in the moment. Also, you have evidence that it wasn’t self-reported to the NCAA and LSU didn’t self-penalize by taking Wade/Armstrong off the recruiting trail for a month? Bc LSU insiders and Culotta say LSU self-reported to the NCAA once the Bham office notified them and they took responsive action. Given how dishonest the NCAA’s allegations are and the lack of evidence there is outside of he said he said, I’m inclined to believe LSU and expect them to defend accordingly.
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