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re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:48 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:48 pm to SidewalkTiger
This fund is obviously going to grow over time as annual TV revenues and investment income is added. Greg Williams' 7% is going to be massive in 5 or 10 years. It's a great deal for him.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:50 pm to captdalton
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So they are just going to take the $100 million and spend it? You have made multiple posts saying they will invest it.
Hence the reason I said details have to be missing. It doesn't make sense for either side unless the entity can somehow get a higher ROI than the investor can on their own, which I doubt.
If they're receiving the $100M up front and then paying out TV revenue to basically pay that back, then you aren't generating income which is the stated goal.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:51 pm to SidewalkTiger
fricking told you.
Dishonest dealings.
Not a “private equity” firm.
Mortgaging the program.
A terrible deal. A loss for LSU and all of CFB
Dishonest dealings.
Not a “private equity” firm.
Mortgaging the program.
A terrible deal. A loss for LSU and all of CFB
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:51 pm to Capn_Bevo
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This fund is obviously going to grow over time as annual TV revenues and investment income is added.
It can't if you're paying out the TV incomes as profit every year, which was the assumption of the Alabama poster.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:53 pm to SidewalkTiger
LSU doesn’t have the leverage in this deal, they need the money
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:55 pm to SidewalkTiger
Kiffin trying to get double the nil for the next 5 years. And buy some natties. Too bad he always chokes. And then lsu sold off 20% of their revenue while already having budgets deficits.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 5:58 pm to JayAg
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LSU doesn’t have the leverage in this deal, they need the money
They don't get any money they wouldn't have received otherwise in the scenario presented here.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:03 pm to ManBearSharkReb
Kiffin is spending money like he is still at Ole Miss needing to outbid blue bloods and rich schools for players. He has the LSU brand, past NCs and NFL player success to use instead of money as a recruiting tool.
He can’t just keep shaming the school he’s employed in for NIL money if he doesn’t succeed, or keep trolling every other school’s recruiting wins online with the “they spent more money” every time he doesn’t get a player.
He used to publicly shame Ole Miss for money in interviews, used the threat of leaving for another school too.
He can’t just keep shaming the school he’s employed in for NIL money if he doesn’t succeed, or keep trolling every other school’s recruiting wins online with the “they spent more money” every time he doesn’t get a player.
He used to publicly shame Ole Miss for money in interviews, used the threat of leaving for another school too.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:04 pm to Boom33
Happy to clarify for you.
Williams gives $100mm.
Williams gets 7% of “profits”, which is a squishy term, as you can manually alter what items qualify as “revenue” and which items qualify as “expenses”, but the concept is he’ll get 7% of annual cash flow the entity produces, net of the operating costs to run it on a year-to-year basis.
Williams also gets 9% ownership of the entity. So the proportion he’s entitled to get each year in distributions is actually different than his % ownership, which is a little different for your average investor buying a dividend stock, where ownership = proportion of the dividend you get. Why these two figures differ is unclear, but there are many reasons (for example: minimum governance participation he required for voting, but LSU didn’t want to give away that much in net profits.)
LSU’s entire goal here is to use the $100mm to repay their contractual obligations (contract salaries, buyouts, future player compensation, program operating costs, etc.) it’s their hope they can invest the balance of the $100mm they haven’t yet spent (likely in tax-free bonds, maybe equities) to continue growing that amount over time to stay ahead of the net funding shortfall between the payment obligations they owe (enumerated above) and the net cash flow they’ll be bringing in (as an SEC affiliate, media rights, etc.)
These mortgage financings rarely work to get borrowers of the hole they find themselves in.
This is the exact kind of loan sharking people want to denigrate the private equity community for doing. When in fact, as we see here, any lender can demand these types of terms. Indeed, these terms are simply “market standard”, which means that if LSU is seeking financial support for their program, they have no way of avoiding this usurious bargain.
LSU should wish it had done a deal with “private equity” a la Utah’s deal with Otro Capital. That actually had a quality executive team assembled as a critical cornerstone of the deal and a key focus in strategy and developing a sustainable, completely new, entity to perform the functions of monetizing the value of Utah’s brand. Nowhere is it shown that Utah had to give away any critical assets to establish their partnership with Otro, nor was it the case that Otro fronted cash that would create a suffocating obligation on behalf of the university. THAT “private equity” deal by an actual PE firm sounds productive, healthy, and equitable as far as mutually beneficial goals goes. This LSU loan does not
Williams gives $100mm.
Williams gets 7% of “profits”, which is a squishy term, as you can manually alter what items qualify as “revenue” and which items qualify as “expenses”, but the concept is he’ll get 7% of annual cash flow the entity produces, net of the operating costs to run it on a year-to-year basis.
Williams also gets 9% ownership of the entity. So the proportion he’s entitled to get each year in distributions is actually different than his % ownership, which is a little different for your average investor buying a dividend stock, where ownership = proportion of the dividend you get. Why these two figures differ is unclear, but there are many reasons (for example: minimum governance participation he required for voting, but LSU didn’t want to give away that much in net profits.)
LSU’s entire goal here is to use the $100mm to repay their contractual obligations (contract salaries, buyouts, future player compensation, program operating costs, etc.) it’s their hope they can invest the balance of the $100mm they haven’t yet spent (likely in tax-free bonds, maybe equities) to continue growing that amount over time to stay ahead of the net funding shortfall between the payment obligations they owe (enumerated above) and the net cash flow they’ll be bringing in (as an SEC affiliate, media rights, etc.)
These mortgage financings rarely work to get borrowers of the hole they find themselves in.
This is the exact kind of loan sharking people want to denigrate the private equity community for doing. When in fact, as we see here, any lender can demand these types of terms. Indeed, these terms are simply “market standard”, which means that if LSU is seeking financial support for their program, they have no way of avoiding this usurious bargain.
LSU should wish it had done a deal with “private equity” a la Utah’s deal with Otro Capital. That actually had a quality executive team assembled as a critical cornerstone of the deal and a key focus in strategy and developing a sustainable, completely new, entity to perform the functions of monetizing the value of Utah’s brand. Nowhere is it shown that Utah had to give away any critical assets to establish their partnership with Otro, nor was it the case that Otro fronted cash that would create a suffocating obligation on behalf of the university. THAT “private equity” deal by an actual PE firm sounds productive, healthy, and equitable as far as mutually beneficial goals goes. This LSU loan does not
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:05 pm to JayAg
Perhaps LSU athletics has debt they
need to roll over but current interest
rates are prohibitive. This deal robs Peter to pay Paul. They pay off their
high interest debt now and it only costs
them a percentage of future revenue
in perpetuity.
need to roll over but current interest
rates are prohibitive. This deal robs Peter to pay Paul. They pay off their
high interest debt now and it only costs
them a percentage of future revenue
in perpetuity.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:12 pm to Demosthenian
Yep. These PE companies / institutional investors are beholden to their own investors and board members. They are investing in this deal because they see a quick path to profitability on their $100 million investment.
And just like their other investments, they aren't going to particularly care about the well-being of the target so long as they get their profit.
And just like their other investments, they aren't going to particularly care about the well-being of the target so long as they get their profit.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:13 pm to SidewalkTiger
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How does that make sense?
They need $25-35 million to break even this year and essentially make payroll.
Boosters are tapped out and just can’t/won’t donate another $30ish million dollars.
Some savvy booster says “hey, I’ve got an idea…”
People and institutions can do strange things when they are desperate for money.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:14 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:I don't know about the Alabama poster. Do you think it's going to remain stagnant? 7% of income will be paid out each year.
It can't if you're paying out the TV incomes as profit every year, which was the assumption of the Alabama poster.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:48 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It can't if you're paying out the TV incomes as profit every year, which was the assumption of the Alabama poster.
Let me lay out some scenarios.
Your scenario. Investor invests $100 million. He gets just 7% on the return on the investment. He will make $350-400k per year. It would take him over 250 years for him to recoup his investment at this rate.
My initial idea. He takes 7% of the investment return ($350-400k) + 7% of TV revenues ($5.0 based on last years revenue). It would take 18.5 years to recoup his investment at this rate.
Door three, after thinking more about this is my current guess. Investor invests $100 million. LSU spends $25-35 million this year to make up this year’s shortfall. Invests the remaining money. Next season the investor recoups 7% on that interest money ($250,000) + 7% of TV revenues ($5 million). It would take him 19 years to recoup his investment. But in 2028 TV revenue increases to $108 million. His share jumps $2.5 million - to $8 million. In 2031 TV revenue increases to $143 million. His share jumps another $2.5 million - he makes over $10 million and over 10% on his initial investment. He recoups his investment in approximately 12 years, faster if TV contracts keep growing.
Which do you think is most likely?
7% of TV revenues is the only way this would be attractive to an investor.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:59 pm to captdalton
LSU is better off not taking the deal, telling Kiffin he only gets $10M for transfers focus on recruiting HS kids, even if he has 2 non playoff years, telling Wade has to build a team through recruiting for the first 2 years with $5M to spend on NIL transfers, and Jay have build his baseball team via HS kids too, especially if the 2 years in college rule is approved, selling his NC success.
They can’t just write blank checks if they don’t have to boosters to Tech their way to a conference championship.
They can’t just write blank checks if they don’t have to boosters to Tech their way to a conference championship.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 7:09 pm to captdalton
It’s more or less door #3.
The “investing the $100mm” is a red herring as far as a *profit source* goes. That money will be invested, as it’d be utterly irresponsible for a business to just hold that amount in cash. The point of investing that money is to have it grow in such a way that it can continue to fund a significant portion of the shortfall LSU will face in coming years as player salaries and contract obligations grow, and god forbid anymore buyouts.
The “investing the $100mm” is a red herring as far as a *profit source* goes. That money will be invested, as it’d be utterly irresponsible for a business to just hold that amount in cash. The point of investing that money is to have it grow in such a way that it can continue to fund a significant portion of the shortfall LSU will face in coming years as player salaries and contract obligations grow, and god forbid anymore buyouts.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 7:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
I have no clue how this deal will work
But I know 40 extremely rich extremely successfully people will have to agree to it and all those people love LSU and have given millions they love LSU so much
Can rich successful people make a bad deal? Sure. Can 40 really successful people all simultaneously make a bad deal while it was all so simple SEC rant posters had it all figured out? I doubt it
But I know 40 extremely rich extremely successfully people will have to agree to it and all those people love LSU and have given millions they love LSU so much
Can rich successful people make a bad deal? Sure. Can 40 really successful people all simultaneously make a bad deal while it was all so simple SEC rant posters had it all figured out? I doubt it
Posted on 8/9/26 at 7:18 pm to SidewalkTiger
I am retiring from arguing on the rant about the subject. All I am going to say is that everyone is cycling towards the cliff, and I applaud LSU for being proactive.
I also like an outside party (Greg Williams at Michigan State) is working with LSU. Landry has the attorney general working with the group too to navigate making the concept legal. We are at least providing the illusion we are being ethical.
I personally wish we could go back to pre Covid college athletics but here we are.
I also like an outside party (Greg Williams at Michigan State) is working with LSU. Landry has the attorney general working with the group too to navigate making the concept legal. We are at least providing the illusion we are being ethical.
I personally wish we could go back to pre Covid college athletics but here we are.
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 8/9/26 at 7:18 pm to SidewalkTiger
It’s brilliant as a private equity move. Privatizing the most profitable income stream segment with the smallest expense and overhead of the entire LSU athletic department, separating the revenue from the huge expenses of the athletic department. However the numbers (as represented here) would be the latest in a long stream of idiotic LSU moves. At the current LSU media rights figures the return to the PE fund would be around $5,000,000 plus annually. Taking away that amount from the LSU athletic budget leaves the department perpetually in the red.
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 8/9/26 at 7:20 pm to Jster15
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